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Sight for sore eyes
« on: May 20, 2008, 07:08:00 PM »
Here is a pic of the rear sight of my jaeger, still a  ways to go. I am trying to get a Baroque flavor to it. This was cut for a solid chunk of steel. I used a Bridgeport for the heavy metal removal. I think back in the day, they had dies to mash a hot iron bar into to rough form parts like this. Who cut the files they used? who made the gravers? This is what I think about when I am doing projects like this.







I hope you like it.

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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 09:22:21 PM »
Acer,
Looks nice.  I've started to think a lot about the same sort of things.  It's one thing to say I drilled this and then filed that and I made it but someone made the boring bit and the file. 
I do think some of this was imported/traded.  The gunsmith did not make everything. 
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2008, 05:13:44 AM »
Looks awsome but I'ld like to see a bit more detail in the engraveing. One thing that often gets over looked but adds life and depth is right where the two lower leaves touch each other, just above the scrolls, take a square (a 120deg would be better if you have one) and put a nick right in the two crotch's. If the crotches are wide you can put threee nicks. Here's an example of what I mean. The top string of scrolls has the nicks in the crotches, the bottom string does not.


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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2008, 03:45:14 PM »
Cody, I forgot to say that this is a work in progress. More to come.

And thanks for the pointers on adding depth. I'll take advantage of that, for sure.

Tom
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2008, 06:52:36 PM »
Tom,
With that sight on a Jaeger, looks like you could do a good bit of relief engraving instead of incised. That's a nice big finial to play with. Hey I love that thin top molding on the forestock!
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2008, 10:16:54 PM »
Fellers, here we are at the finial version. I had thought about what you'd said, Jim, about relief chiseling, and I decided to go this route, a faux chiseling, if you will. My brass ware, butt plate and guard, will have some engraving to echo this theme on the sight. I am imagining this falls somewhere between Baroque and Rococo. Maybe it's a Transitional rifle!

I darkened the lines with India Ink, as my finger is the tell-tale.


Installed on barrel. I am planning on heat bluing the barrel. Leaving the sight bright.


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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2008, 12:52:14 AM »
It ain't gonna look like this is it????   
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2008, 01:19:35 AM »
Sorry man but you aint done yet. Jim's right, that acanthus leaf finial has to be modeled to match the finials on the butt plate return and the trigger guard. That's the problem with getting real clever in the begining, you have to carry it through to the end ;D. So, go on back now and make it look like it belongs on the same gun as the BP and TG then come on back and show us when it's done.

I heard that!!!!

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2008, 02:30:26 AM »
I don't agree with you, because an icon repeated too many times can become tiresome. Bear with me, and should this become an issue, I can make a new sight and toss this one into the failures bin.

Zzzz-plop.

I'm really glad to have your guys' input, seriously. Both of you have a good eye, and have been around this kind of thing. Bt you must also know that I am a stubborn SOB and will stick to my story, even when I know I'm wrong.

I ain't wrong yet.

Not that you would know I'm telling the truth.

T
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2008, 04:59:15 AM »
Well, the odds are piling up. Cody just called me to re-inforce his opinion.

Great to hear your voice, Cody.

You guys don't have a clue how stubborn I can be. I can only say I will certainly entertain idea of a chiseled finial if it keeps bothering me. In the meantime, I am ready to move on. I'll come back to this if it needs it, OK? Fair enough?

I cannot reiterate enough how much I value your opinions. This is EXACTLY what the ALR is about.

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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2008, 02:41:19 PM »
Tom, how did you achieve the different elevations between the leading and trailing edges of the leaves?  I am always amazed at the level of detail work you do. I foresee a great piece of Art is about to appear on the scene. :o  ;D
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2008, 03:45:07 PM »
Tim, it must be an optical illusion, because the whole finial is flat, with the lines being cut into the surface.  For the surface, refer to the very first phot, when the finial is spear-shaped. None of the leaves vary from that plane.  SOme of the lines, however, are cut with a wide bevel, producing more shadow, and there are little shading cuts where one leaf overlaps another. That will make it look dimensional.

Thanks for the kind words. Yes, some day this gun, too, will be done. I look forward to finishing it, to have a feeling of completion, but I will then suffer the loss of working on such a fun project. Each part of the gun can be seen as a project, and I get small senses of accomplishment at every turn, but the crescendo will be at the end, when the final assembly is done, and the last coat of wax goes on the stock. This will be the culmination of all these little projects into one orchestral piece.

Mein Gott, ve vax poetik dis day, eh.

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Cody, Jim, the seed you planted is germinating. I just finished the @!*% sight, which two full days of steady work, and I'm not about to discard it. What I will do, is revisit the look, and see if it needs to be changed. This will depend on the engraving which happens on the BP return, toeplate, and trigger guard.
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2008, 07:09:56 PM »
Nice.  Looks about right for this gun. Not sure about the parallel lined but am pretty sure you've studied the jaeger book so know what you need.  Now fo make a mold from it and get some wax castings made in steel so we can get one just like it for practically no effort.  Ain't that how it works for Jim Chambers?
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2008, 07:36:18 PM »
Hello, Rich!

I think the parallel line thing is pretty common in Baroque designs, but less so in Rococo.
I showed the rear sight to Wendy, and she said it was like a different person did it. I am a different person from two years ago. The project has eveloved, revolved, gone through changes. Look in the Steinschloss book, at how many hands were involved in one gun. The apparent differences show plainly in the engraving, carving, design and layout; less noticeable is the lockwork, barrelsmithing, casting and forgework.

The engraving on the finial is different from the cast butt/guard finials. As in the day, the casting and engraving would be different smiths. This difference is a 'conversation' in style and execution. If the same motif were used from top to bottom, there wouldn't be much talk going on. The danger is to have too much variety, but that is a risk I'll have to take. I am betting I can pull it off. I'm gonna give it all I got.

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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2008, 05:34:52 AM »
Uh oh, Tom... before I even saw Cody's or Jim's comments, I was thinking the same thing!  There's too much canvas there not to do some relief  ;)

BUT... it still looks fabulous!!  I have a question regarding the fire blue barrel and bright sight.  Isn't that going to create a ton of glare, particularly on the back face of the sight?  Were any original sights (that were obviously bright) engraved or etched to reduce glare? 

Man, what are all these buttons at the top of the thing, "bbc tags", gonna have to play around with these! 
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2008, 04:36:16 PM »
oh, $#@*, three to one.

Glare? of course. Bling, that's what this kind of gun is all about. You think someone is actually going to shoot this thing? Sad, but probably true.

@!*%, you guys are annoying. I have to run my course, despite the the headwinds. I do appreciate that you speak your minds, however ill-founded and weak your arguments are.

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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2008, 05:02:33 PM »
Eric,
When I see a piece of metal like that I just have to futz with it until it's Baroque
Ok now back to work ( I just had to do it!)
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2017, 06:29:46 PM »
That is a beautiful sight. I have built a lot of Jager rifles over the years and have improvised my sights out of angle iron. They are adequate, but have little beauty. Track markets one with a folder leaf for distance. Anyone making one with three leaves?

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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2017, 07:39:01 PM »
Hi Tom,
The design is what is sometimes called "German Rococo", which is kind of like a mix of Baroque and Rococo. The Germans were always more conservative than the French after all they invented dreary old "schnaaps", ate cabbage and sausages while the French created cognac, Calvados, and ate "Poulet val D'Auge"!  Your engraving and shaping is bang on from an historical perspective. Carving relief into the sight base would certainly look nice but what you did is more typical of the time and place.  Oh, and your sight is beautifully done!  Did you learn to speak German from Sid Caesar?

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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2017, 08:10:32 PM »
Beautiful!!!! Can we see the rest of the gun?

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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2017, 08:25:16 PM »
oh, $#@*, three to one.

Glare? of course. Bling, that's what this kind of gun is all about. You think someone is actually going to shoot this thing? Sad, but probably true.

@!*%, you guys are annoying. I have to run my course, despite the the headwinds. I do appreciate that you speak your minds, however ill-founded and weak your arguments are.

T

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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2017, 09:15:03 PM »
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Don't understand what they are talking about- but you'd better do it,
They are talking about a project that took place 9 years ago.  It's a little late to do anything now.
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2017, 09:30:46 PM »
I like the design of the sight.
It reminds me of a Jaeger I've been studying details on (repeated iconography)





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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2017, 09:39:34 PM »
I just realized this thread is nine years old ::)
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Re: Sight for sore eyes
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2017, 09:44:06 PM »
 If you look at a lot of original Jaegers you won't see a lot of coordination between the pattern on parts. Surprising but true.
  Cody. on the engraving suggestion, there is a portion you left off.  Take a look at this excellent  scroll.   
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