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Offline littlefat

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stock blank ?
« on: March 27, 2009, 03:12:13 AM »
I've built 5 rifles . 3 from kits. ex.. jim chambers, dixie gun , and 2 from  stocks with only the barrel and ramrod  cut and preshaped. I'm thinking of taking the next step and starting with a stock blank. my question is that what most people on this forum use?  I need a push :o

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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2009, 03:35:45 AM »
Wofat,

Welcome aboard.

I've built exactly two rifles.  First was from a squared blank and the second was from a Jack Garner kit.  I have a couple precarves in my shop that are in the very early stages of completion.  I'm glad I have inlet a barrel (I used the "rails" method described by John Bivins, Peter Alexander, and others) to have had the experience.  I may do it again, but will not feel compelled to do so.

My impression is that lots of the very good builders have the barrel inlet into a squared blank by one of the skilled folks with shops set up to do that (Fred Miller, for example).  Not that they couldn't or haven't inlet barrels, but having the barrel channel machined saves a number of hours at a reasonable cost and lets you get to more enjoyable aspects of the work.

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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2009, 04:35:02 AM »
I have built the majority of my rifles by doing the barrel inletting but for my last 6 or seven I have had Dave Rase put them in, drill and rout the RR.  I only hand inlet barrels for demo purposes now. For the cost, Dave is one of the best and my time is worth  more to me in shaping and carving.  I think every one needs to put a few in by hand to have the experince but after that its just busy work.
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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2009, 05:20:15 AM »
I have built 4 rifles, all from blanks. You will need to do more planning and research, but I believe you will gain a greatly level of satisfaction knowing your rifle is unique and all you.
 For guys that build many rifles I can understand the mundane aspect of barrel inletting but as Dave B mentioned , everybody neeeds to do it at least once.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2009, 06:13:33 AM »
Here's how I do it.  I hope this is a good enough "push" to help you.

This is a very simple left handed southern rifle, but it was a good one to demonstrate with.
Click on the link.  I can't figure out how to copy the whole thing over to this site, but it's just as fast to click on it and bring it up that way.

http://www.traditionalmuzzleloadingassociation.com/forum/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6214


 

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2009, 12:43:41 PM »
I do not know how many different guns I have built over the years.  I do not even remember when I switched to blanks.  Currently I only buy blanks to use a wood I cannot get by cutting on my little acreage, such as walnut.  It is a personal thing as to what level you want to take your skills.  Many of the advanced artistic builders are wise to use someone like David Rase as they are wasting their talents and time doing the more mundane tasks, specially those that resell their work.  Again this is personal to me, but I get the greatest satisfaction in building a gun form the ground up.  My thing is to buy the barrel and lock, cut my stock and build the furniture as much as possible.  I do have one gun in the making that has its components mostly purchased for assembly but I used a blank.  I also admit that it is not as much fun.  To me to use a precarved would be like saying that the gun was built by say Chambers and myself as an example.  Not knocking Chambers and think that he performs a valuable service, just stating my feelings. 
Building from blanks gives one far more freedoms in building for length of pull,   drop, hardware used and so forth.  Another advantage in learning to do some of the more mundane tasks is that you can diverge for all different varieties of guns such as fowlers, smooth rifles and shotguns as well as rifles.  We do this for fun and sometimes I think we may get too concerned about impressing others.  Its up to you.  Which is a more skilled project, one that is profusely carved and engraved but is mounted and assembled from all purchased hardware, with a lot of the basic stockwork done by someone else, or a poor boy made from the basics?  That's your own personal decision.

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2009, 02:36:34 PM »
Most of my guns are from blanks.. and most of them I inlet the barrel and drill the ramrod hole. Every now and again someone will send me a kit to assemble, or send me a stock with the barrel inlet.

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2009, 05:28:45 PM »
 I built my very first rifle from a kit, but everything since has been from a blank.   One barrel I inlet by hand, then I built a router table.  Now it takes me less than an hour to compeletely inlet a barrel and do the ramrod channel.

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2009, 06:32:22 PM »
I built my very first rifle from a kit, but everything since has been from a blank.   One barrel I inlet by hand, then I built a router table.  Now it takes me less than an hour to compeletely inlet a barrel and do the ramrod channel.

Are you using straight barrels for this or swamped?  I have put in straight barrels with a table saw and used the router for channels, but the configured barrels are by hand.

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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2009, 06:34:10 PM »
Here's how I do it.  I hope this is a good enough "push" to help you.

This is a very simple left handed southern rifle, but it was a good one to demonstrate with.
Click on the link.  I can't figure out how to copy the whole thing over to this site, but it's just as fast to click on it and bring it up that way.

http://www.traditionalmuzzleloadingassociation.com/forum/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6214


Real nice tutorial
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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2009, 06:55:28 PM »
I'm not a TMA member and wasn't aware of it until trying to follow the link.  Is it necessary to be a member to view the link?  I'd like to check it out.
Thanks,
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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2009, 09:35:14 PM »
Wofat....McGarret's arch enemy....

I avoid precarves like the plague.  I don't hate the idea of precarves per se, but finding one that I like and is actually done right...

I have total control over a stock blank.  When using a precarve, you're stuck with someone else's idea of what a stock should be.


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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2009, 10:26:46 PM »
I will only use a rough stock blank to begin with. That way I've only got myself to blame if there is a screw up! With the pre-carves there is always a screw up of some kind or other.  I am not knocking the kit suppliers because they provide to a much needed market.  I am only speaking for myself. ;)  Hugh Toenjes   
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2009, 10:37:12 PM »
I work from blanks. I've bought from Dunlap and have been satisfied with the product. I don't use a bandsaw. I cut it out with a good handsaw. I do the inletting by hand because I like to. If you're building for profit and also want top quality, you can't beat one of the better barrel inletters like Dave Rase. In inletting I've used the method discussed in the Gunsmith of Granville County, unsing rails and a saw. Worked great but was more work than just scribbing and chiseling in the sides.

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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2009, 03:00:48 AM »
Thank's guy's , you've giving me the push I needed. Now I need some advice on suppliers .  any suggestions ?  Thank's , Wofat                                                    PS. Stophel you were right  "Wofat....McGarret's arch enemy.... .  "

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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2009, 03:16:54 AM »
WoFat

I second Rich's recommendation of Dunlap.  I've bought quite a few blanks from them and have always been satisfied.  Their prices are reasonable too, important for those first couple of builds.

May I recommend buying CHEAP and making your mistakes on that?  If it actually comes out better than expected, then you have a nice straight grain stock.  If not, you're not out a whole lot.

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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2009, 04:53:28 AM »
Wayne Dunlap will treat you right.  Talk to Danny and have him pick you out a nice hard plain piece of wood.  You can't beat Dunlap for a good quality utility grade piece of wood to get you started off right on your first build from a plank.  With help from this forum you will not go wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2009, 03:10:38 AM »
I'm not a TMA member and wasn't aware of it until trying to follow the link.  Is it necessary to be a member to view the link?  I'd like to check it out.
Thanks,
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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2009, 05:13:39 AM »
i have only built one long gun from a blank which happened to be my first build and if i had spent more time on this site when i started it would have turned out better a couple of friend have me putting together "kits" not with precarves and i hate it, it was easier to go from a blank definitely take the plunge
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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2009, 07:42:33 PM »
I also prefer building from a blank over kits. Most of my wood over the years has come from Dunlaps. Last time I ordered, I had Danny email me pics of several fancy 6 and 7 grade stocks to choose from and gave me a good deal on 3 at a time. They provide a great service. You don't need fancy striped wood to start with though.
I'll use my router table to inlet straight barrels & rr grooves, but I usually send the swamped barrels to Fred Miller for a perfect fit. I have steel rails to cut in swampers, but I just don't enjoy doing it that way anymore.
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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2009, 08:46:24 PM »
I don't like building from kits.  They are for parts assemblers not makers.  Most of my wood comes from Dunlap and Danny is great to deal with.  My carver is Mark Weider and he inlets the barrel and drills the ramrod hole for me.  I do the rest.  It's alot of fun once you get going!!!!!!!!!   Mark is one of the best I've seen.  First Class!

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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2009, 01:47:23 AM »
I agree with Rich. Mark Weader does top notch work, the best barrel inletting I have seen. He does all my work.
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Re: stock blank ?
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2009, 02:41:24 AM »
Thank's guy's , you've giving me the push I needed. Now I need some advice on suppliers .  any suggestions ?  Thank's , Wofat                                                    PS. Stophel you were right  "Wofat....McGarret's arch enemy.... .  "
Is there by chance a wood kiln in your part of the world?  I picked up some fine curly and some nice walnut planks ultra cheap...but that was more than a couple yrs ago!

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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2009, 12:46:19 PM »
Small project wood kilns are relatively cheap and easy to make.  One good one is to build a box over a solar collector, which is also cheap and easy to make.  Another is to make an isulated box, insulation inside and wire in light bulbs.  Allow for thermo circulation with a hole in the bottom and one in the top.  These work fine for one stock at a time.

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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2009, 06:19:33 AM »


Are you using straight barrels for this or swamped?  I have put in straight barrels with a table saw and used the router for channels, but the configured barrels are by hand.

DP

  Yes, this is just for straight barrels.  I wish I could figure a way to do swamped with the router but until then they're inlet by hand. :-\