Author Topic: White Lightning Touch hole "Halo" (Read 12449 times)

Kingsburyarms · « **on:** July 24, 2016, 03:29:28 PM »

This is my second use of the white lightning touch hole liner. The hole was drilled and tapped already - with a nice clean countersink. I inserted the liner until tight and the flange of the liner met tight with the barrel.

I proceeded to cut off the "tightening knob" and filed the excess off flush with the barrel. The ring around the liner was always there, (it did not "show up" after I started filing) so I filed just a little more thinking it was a just a lathe surface cut, and it's still pretty deep.

I removed the breach plug and the liner is right at the inside of the flat of the barrel in perfect depth for the rifling. I cleaned up any drill and tap flakes and excess, and reinstalled the breach plug.

This normal or OK? Does it weaken the liner? It's a swamped .40. Should I just replace it?

Any insight would be reassuring or informative - Thanks, Jon

P.Bigham · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2016, 04:14:03 PM »

Looked at picture again it looks like the ring is in the liner itself. I would replace it just to be on the safe side.

L. Akers · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2016, 04:18:22 PM »

Rather than the liner being on the small side, it's more likely the countersink is on the large size. Another possibility is the angles of the counter sinks are different. Doesn't matter--the liner will still be sealed against a "flatter" counter sink, just not at the surface. If you really are bothered by the aesthetics, you can fix it by carefully peening the barrel around the outside of the liner to close the gap then file smooth. This is how english "best" gunmakers get a seamless fit to their screw heads.

Kingsburyarms · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2016, 04:54:15 PM »

The ring is in the middle of the liner - not at the threads - I think I will just replace it -

moleeyes36 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2016, 05:00:41 PM »

Perhaps Jim Chambers will see your post and jump in, but two things come to mind. It's my understanding that not all liners sold as "White Lightning" liners are really from Jim Chambers. On those liners the angle of the countersink required is not necessarily the same as on one of Jim's liners. If the hole was already drilled, threaded and countersunk, you may not have the correct liner to fit this work. Consequently, as L.Akers said, the angle of the countersink may be wrong for the liner.

Mole Eyes

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2016, 05:22:51 PM »

I have had a halo around those before too from the countersink being to aggressive. But as has been pointed out, then ring is not between the barrel and the liner. That causes me more concern that it is not just an appearance issue.

Coryjoe

P.W.Berkuta · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2016, 06:10:35 PM »

That's weird ---- I can see the outer diameter of the liner and it's interface with the barrel but that "inner" ring is a puzzle

. How deep is it - a few thousands? If so I'd leave it alone but sure wold like to get Jim Chambers to weigh in on this

.

coutios · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2016, 06:14:16 PM »

Where did you get your liner? Chambers liners are 82 degrees. Track of the Wolfs are 90 degrees.. Track DOES NOT sell Chambers White Lightning liners. They sell knock offs.... Also agree with PW.. That's a head scratcher...

Dave

frogwalking · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2016, 07:09:13 PM »

When the liner was turned, if the cylinder that is left for tightening the liner was slightly undercut, you would see exactly what you are seeing I suspect that is what happened. I don't know what, if anything, you should do about it. If the circular groove is shallow, I would do nothing other than proof the gun with a stout load.

thimble rig · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2016, 07:48:32 PM »

If it is a kit just send the maker of the kit a photo and they should send you a replacement.

Kingsburyarms · « **Reply #10 on:** July 24, 2016, 08:21:34 PM »

Thanks all- It's a Kimbler kit - and an "official" Chambers White Lightning. The groove is deep enough to accept the edge of an X-Acto blade. Too deep for my liking. Looks like an anomaly and I will "easy out" the liner, and Jim has a new one on the way - That's why I love this forum - Great insight and experience. - it's easier to replace (and Jim, being the rock star that he is, is replacing at no cost) - Now, where did I leave my easy-out's?

SingleMalt · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2016, 08:44:39 PM »

I'm glad it's going to work out well for you. Just a thought, I wonder if it would be better to go to a larger size to eliminate the the old counter sink angle?

Jim Chambers · « **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2016, 09:33:34 PM »

I've installed hundreds of our liners and have sold thousands more, and I have never seen this ring before. I can't imagine how this happened. But, we are replacing the liner at no cost. If anyone else has this problem please let us know.
And, as stated above the liners sold by Track as "White lightning" liners are not the ones we make, and many guys have had problems with their liners.....just saying.

thimble rig · « **Reply #13 on:** July 24, 2016, 09:45:50 PM »

Oh I thought that lock mortise looked familiar.Lol.Those kits are a lot of fun.

Kingsburyarms · « **Reply #14 on:** July 24, 2016, 10:45:24 PM »

Jim Chambers and Jim Kibler are all over this - a fantastic team, and the highest quality of material, workmanship and caring for the customer. The old one was extracted without issue, and I will install the new when it arrives.

Again, I work in the technology support and QA industry, and you will not find a better team than these guys - this was an anomaly at best.

Jon

Long Ears · « **Reply #15 on:** July 24, 2016, 10:46:39 PM »

Did you peen over the edges of the liner to fill your counter sink? When you cut off the liner, leave it a little proud and CAREFULLY peen over the edge all the way around. Be careful not to ding up the barrel of you'll have to file that all out.
Bob

JLBSparks · « **Reply #16 on:** July 25, 2016, 02:44:49 AM »

Glad this is getting resolved. I agree with the 90* CS and an 82* liner analogy. I'm an amateur gun builder, but a competent machinist. 90* CSs generally go with metric threads, 82* CSs go with SAE threads.

-Joe

Dave B · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2016, 03:42:41 AM »

I had this very thing happen to me. I used the wrong countersink leaving this gaposis around the outside of the white lightning liner I bumped up to the next size of Jim's liners re-touched the counter sink with the correct one and Perfect fit now. I had purchased just the liners at one point then ordered up set of larger liners with a drill, tap and counter sink from Jim. I put them where I wouldnt loose them and tried to use on of my regular countersinks to do the job. Ooops. It was only about a month ago I came across the bag with the larger liners and toolage. It feels good to have that glaring gap gone.

P.W.Berkuta · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2016, 05:45:34 AM »

If you look CLOSELY at the picture it is not a countersink issue

-- the outer diameter of the liner mates up with the countersink of the barrel -- there is NO gap. I'm glad the issue has been resolved - let us know how the new liner fits.

Long Ears · « **Reply #19 on:** July 25, 2016, 06:33:26 AM »

Good catch there P.W. that is strange. Bob

FlintFan · « **Reply #20 on:** July 25, 2016, 01:22:44 PM »

Quote from: Jim Chambers on July 24, 2016, 09:33:34 PM

I've installed hundreds of our liners and have sold thousands more, and I have never seen this ring before. I can't imagine how this happened. But, we are replacing the liner at no cost. If anyone else has this problem please let us know.
And, as stated above the liners sold by Track as "White lightning" liners are not the ones we make, and many guys have had problems with their liners.....just saying.

No need to knock Track, it's one of your liners that the builder is having problems with...just saying.

You said you are replacing it at no cost, so well done, great service as expected. Your comment about Track's products in the context of this thread is very misplaced.

Hungry Horse · « **Reply #21 on:** July 25, 2016, 07:06:42 PM »

Really! I guess I've lived too long. Track copies Chambers design(sort of), pirates the name, and Jim's the bad guy. I think Jim is being quite understanding about this.

Hungry Horse

EC121 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 25, 2016, 07:38:17 PM »

Sounds to me like Jim is just stating facts. I wouldn't consider it knocking if it is true. Statistically he probably has more information than any of the rest of us.

Robby · « **Reply #23 on:** July 25, 2016, 08:34:35 PM »

I bought what I thought were real White lightning liners from the track and both were junk. I didn't know at the time they were knock-off's. Now I go right to the source.
Robby

FlintFan · « **Reply #24 on:** July 25, 2016, 08:52:35 PM »

So this entire thread is about a defective "original" White Lightning liner from Chambers, and somehow it's ok to just throw in a knock about a competitor.

That's like me bringing in a defective brand X car to a dealership, and while admitting they made a bad part tell me "good thing you didn't buy a brand Y, they are really bad!"

Just struck me as an odd thing to say. Anyway, it sounds like it is all but resolved to the OP's satisfaction.

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Author Topic: White Lightning Touch hole "Halo" (Read 12449 times)

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