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Curly Maple Log
« on: August 16, 2016, 09:41:30 PM »
My friend was cutting timber and cut this log.  The mill says I can have it for $60 more than a regular maple log of
the same size.  I have access to a bandsaw mill.  I think I'm going to buy it.  Wouldn't you?

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2016, 09:45:29 PM »
Never a doubt,,worst that could happen,, nice fire wood ,,

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2016, 09:49:24 PM »
Buy it? Absolutely!
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2016, 10:01:08 PM »
Just beware of bugs, maple is notorious for powder post beetles and other wood eating critters. If you can get the log sawed and into a kiln, sooner the better. If this log sat around in warm weather, there is a good chance of bugs, especially with the bark still on.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2016, 10:16:33 PM »
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Just beware of bugs, maple is notorious for powder post beetles and other wood eating critters. If you can get the log sawed and into a kiln, sooner the better. If this log sat around in warm weather, there is a good chance of bugs, especially with the bark still on.
Totally agree with Acer. I have gotten quite a few "free" maple logs and by the time I pay gas to haul them to the sawyer then to my house and rack them to air dry wait 4 years to dry and then find bugs/powder post beetles in them I quit taking the "free" logs. Too old to do all that work and end up with "holy" stock blanks! Even sprayed one batch of blanks with Sevin to no avail! Kiln dried is the best thing but it adds to the price of the blanks. Bet you will find that buying ready to use blanks are not as expensive as you thought they were.

Now walnut is a different story at least when it comes to beetles/bugs, usually only have to deal with knots/checks/end splits etc.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2016, 11:31:30 PM »
My friend was cutting timber and cut this log.  The mill says I can have it for $60 more than a regular maple log of
the same size.  I have access to a bandsaw mill.  I think I'm going to buy it.  Wouldn't you?
The log looks nice from the outside in that area and it could be a real treasure - or a headache. It depends on how many guns you are going to build and the price of the log. If it was me I have the saw mill cut it up and kiln dry it. I have done this in 1974 with a curl maple log and it cost me $60 bucks at the time (log, cut, & dried) I also bought walnut in 1997 like this and that cost me $200 (log, cut, & dried).  You could sell some and recoop you cost. I have enough wood to last me until I can lo longer build guns & then some. Bottom line -- go ahead and buy it - but I would let them do the work.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2016, 12:56:23 AM »
  What size is it? Depends on how it is sawed as to what you get out of it. If its good sized and fresh, which it doesn't look like, I'd offer $40, still a lot of work in there. And even at 40 you may get a Cord or wood out of it, 128 Sq Ft.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2016, 01:11:34 AM »
It was cut Friday.  I have a free mill and I can cut it up Saturday. Going to air dry it in my warehouse.  Not a big investment. Gonna give it a shot. Worst thing I can make something else out of it
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2016, 01:13:11 AM »
14" x 10'.  If the heartwood is good I will be happy
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2016, 01:26:47 AM »
 Brain Cramping  !!!  what would be the results of 1/4 sawing a curly maple log..Lot more waste but it sure jumps Oak and Ash to a whole new level. 

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2016, 01:47:03 AM »
Slab sawing will give you some quarter sawn blanks from the center of the log. Be careful of the center of the tree, I can't remember if maple logs have a problem with the very center falling in the choice are of the blank or not. I know that Walnut has a hollow vein down the center of the log and even after I told the sawyer to split the log down this center before any blanks were sawn I ended up with several beautiful quarter sawn blanks (on outside) but the hollow vein ran right though the middle of the blank, absolutely ruined these nice 10" X 3" blanks! Yes he still charged me full price even though I had to sell the wood for lathe turning stock.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2016, 02:06:41 AM »
I don't know whether it matters to you or not, but that is a red maple log.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2016, 05:01:27 AM »
I don't know whether it matters to you or not, but that is a red maple log.

    Yes it does and I appreciate you pointing it out. Are you sure about it
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2016, 05:20:24 AM »
Maple will spalt pretty quick once cut. I cut a red maple like that a while ago from my cousin's farm that had a crook in the but that provided a few nice blanks with nice grain direction through wrist. It had a small hollow in center at the stump and some insect and spalt damage, cut two logs out of it and got several good blanks in spite of the damage. Nice curl in a lot of it and seems pretty hard. Haven't used any of it yet.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2016, 05:39:16 AM »
14" x 10'.  If the heartwood is good I will be happy

If you measure with Doyle scale 14" on small end and 10' long would amount to 62.5 bf. So, if your going to pay $60 more than a "regular" log that would be a lot of money for that log even $60 would be a lot it's almost a dollar a bf.
If you do want to experiment with it I would advise just sawing it straight through from top to bottom as thick as you want the flitches say 2-1/2" or so and then right away cut your blanks out and put them up to dry, not the boards. Like Dennis says the heart is no good on any tree because would shrinks radially it will always crack to the heart because of that. When sawing the log put the heart in the center of the middle flitch and when cutting the blanks out of it throw that away you will have maybe 4 blanks that are perfectly 1/4 sawn from just that one piece with no heart. Don't worry about it being soft maple if it has good figure that is something special, but don't pay a dollar a board foot for it. And you don't need to kiln dry it that's for certain.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2016, 05:42:54 AM »
I don't know whether it matters to you or not, but that is a red maple log.

    Yes it does and I appreciate you pointing it out. Are you sure about it

The bark does look like soft to me and another thing is it doesn't look like it was cut last Friday.... white wood will stain fast in the warm weather that is why it's primarily cut in the winter. Don't wait to long to saw it up if you're inclined to try it.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2016, 06:05:29 AM »
Slab sawing will give you some quarter sawn blanks from the center of the log.
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Dennis, slab sawing is when you keep rotating the log for every board cut off and end up with little or no 1/4 sawn it's what you do when you don't want 1/4 sawn. Some woods the figure is far better slab like Cherry for instance. Flitch sawing is when you put a log on the mill and just cut straight through it about half way, turn it over 180 degrees and saw the rest of the way you will end up with some slab sawn and 1/4 sawn. Quarter sawing can be done several different ways. The easiest and least wasteful way is to cut the log into thirds, saw the center into quarter sawn and the outside turn so that you are quarter sawing the majority.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2016, 12:57:57 PM »
It looks like Hard maple to me, but I could be wrong and don't wish an argument (I suspect it would be much easier to identify if the top of the log were visible).  Regarding the log, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.  There's some small possibility that you'll get nothing useful from it, but if it's worthwhile, you could sell one or two blanks and pay for your entire operation.  It looks like it may be quite sensational, but obviously nothing's guaranteed.

A couple notes about kiln drying. I've got a few logs at a local mill right now (a cherry, an oak, a chestnut (yes, native American) and a large white pine (for duck decoys).  My guy is kiln drying for $.30 a board foot, which I think is a small price to pay to avoid issues with bugs, checking, etc..  That said, I asked him to cut the nicest cherry board at 10/4" for gunstocks and he suggested that he typically doesn't kiln dry boards that thick because they need to dry more slowly and the board won't be completely dry.  Unless there's some damage that can come of it, I'll likely ask him to kiln dry it anyway and then I'll follow that up by air drying it for a year or two (or whatever's necessary).
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2016, 02:14:42 PM »
2 years ago I had a mixed load of hickory boards kiln dried.  The 2" thick boards cracked really bad.  To the point that it is mostly scrap.

I have 2 large oaks that went down last winter in a storm.  In the process of cutting the tops up for firewood and hauling the logs out of the timber.  I wont kiln dry this wood.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2016, 02:32:45 PM »

The bark does look like soft to me and another thing is it doesn't look like it was cut last Friday....

Agreed.  Unless the log was rolled around during handling, and the bark has been worn down alot, it does not look like sugar maple.  Infact, I would be suspicious if it was even red maple.  Talk to the lumber men, to see if they know for sure. 

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2016, 03:03:48 PM »
I don't know whether it matters to you or not, but that is a red maple log.

    Yes it does and I appreciate you pointing it out. Are you sure about it

It is red maple.  That is one of the common bark types for red maple here in PA. 
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2016, 03:18:00 PM »
I agree with James.  That looks like a red maple to me.

I'd rip it right down the center.  Take a slab of each side to that center cut.  Those will give you 4 quarter-sawn blanks.  Rotate the remaining two sides 90 degrees and rip them down the center, quartering the log.  There might be enough wood to get a quarter-sawn blank off each face of the quarters.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2016, 03:28:04 PM »
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Dennis, slab sawing is when you keep rotating the log for every board cut off and end up with little or no 1/4 sawn it's what you do when you don't want 1/4 sawn.
Thanks for the info, you can see I know just enough to get in trouble. I never thought about the entire log being slab sawed, just thought the outside slabs were what the term referenced.

Personally I prefer a slab sawn blank to a qtr sawn blank anyway. Looks to me like it would be stronger through the wrist and toe area.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2016, 05:56:47 PM »
this is an interesting thread.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2016, 06:15:38 PM »
Even if a slab is a bust for stocks it will make a nice work surface!

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