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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2016, 08:18:03 PM »
14" is awfully small to use for gunstocks. IMO
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2016, 10:01:29 PM »
Even if a slab is a bust for stocks it will make a nice work surface!

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Awesome.  I've got several large boards of spalted and curly maple that simply aren't suitable for gunstocks but which may be suitable for benches, workbenches, turned bowls, etc..  I like the look of "re-purposed" wood like this, great job.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2016, 02:31:04 AM »
I appreciate all the great feedback.  It is definitely Red Oak.  The friend who cut it has been in the timber business for 30 years and he
used to supply Reinhardt Fagen with his best wood for blanks.  I guess how I end up cutting it is going to depend on the log once I see it.
I am concerned with Spalting in this heat.  Hopefully I can pick it up Friday.   Surely I will find good use for it stock blank or not.  I paid
a lot of money once for a curly sugar log and made the mistake of having it kiln dried in 3" planks.  They dried it too fast and it split all over the place.
I'll keep you posted on the progress.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2016, 10:59:57 AM »
I appreciate all the great feedback.  It is definitely Red Oak.  The friend who cut it has been in the timber business for 30 years and he
used to supply Reinhardt Fagen with his best wood for blanks.  I guess how I end up cutting it is going to depend on the log once I see it.
I am concerned with Spalting in this heat.  Hopefully I can pick it up Friday.   Surely I will find good use for it stock blank or not.  I paid
a lot of money once for a curly sugar log and made the mistake of having it kiln dried in 3" planks.  They dried it too fast and it split all over the place.
I'll keep you posted on the progress.

Red Oak?   I stand corrected. 
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2016, 12:02:06 PM »
I appreciate all the great feedback.  It is definitely Red Oak.  The friend who cut it has been in the timber business for 30 years and he
used to supply Reinhardt Fagen with his best wood for blanks.  I guess how I end up cutting it is going to depend on the log once I see it.
I am concerned with Spalting in this heat.  Hopefully I can pick it up Friday.   Surely I will find good use for it stock blank or not.  I paid
a lot of money once for a curly sugar log and made the mistake of having it kiln dried in 3" planks.  They dried it too fast and it split all over the place.
I'll keep you posted on the progress.

Red Oak?   I stand corrected. 

I presume a misprint and that Shreckmeister meant that it's Red maple, not oak.

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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2016, 09:08:03 AM »

That is definitely not Oak... if that was a curly Oak log it would be something really special,  more so than a curly Maple.

And Reinhardt Fagen didn't buy logs from out of the woods for their stocks, or even saw their own logs, if that is something someone says they are pulling someones leg...

Dennis, if you look at a lot old guns and particularly the finest you will see that the gun makers wanted 1/4 sawn wood. There is a reason for that. And the grain can run out of the wrist of a slab sawn stock also. Most stock makers today  just take what they can get for stock material from sawmills and make as many blanks as they can get out of the lumber they buy to make the most profit. They have no control over how the logs are sawn they buy the lumber from sawmills where the sawyers aren't interested in particularly what the final use of the wood will be.  It didn't use to be that way... old time gunmakers paid careful attention to the kind of wood they used and were able to take a tree and know how to turn that into a good rifle blank... or whatever they intended to do with it intending on the final purpose. I always thought Allentown guns with their straight wrists and slightly canted up locks where kind of designed specifically so the gun makers could use 1/4 sawn wood that was not stump cut but still had a strong wrist and lock area. They used 1/4 sawn wood back then just as the finest gunmakers do today.

Mike, 14" is plenty large if it's the diameter on the small end particularly if it's the butt log because there is flare. If you had just a 60" log 14" inches on the small end and say 18" on the large end that was straight with no defects you could get 6-8 blanks easy...  and that would be with cutting the heart out of it. If it was 10' long you could lay them out both ways and have even more. These days most stock blanks you buy are far oversized which just requires you to take spend more time taking the wood off and throwing it away. If you had a log and knew what you wanted to make out of it you can get a lot of stocks out of even a small log because you can take them down to just a slightly oversized blank. If you don't believe it I can show you.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2016, 02:29:57 PM »
We'll forgive me I clearly meant maple. Nobody said anything about him sending logs to Rinehart Fagen and Doug's one of the last guys to make up a story.  I believe I said his best wood.   
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2016, 04:23:29 PM »
I would like to see pictures once it's sawed.  Good luck!
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2016, 04:53:10 PM »
What I've always wanted to know is how you tell/find a curly tree when walking through the woods?  Easy to see with the bark off, but what characteristics give it away in a live, standing tree??
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2016, 05:22:18 PM »
What I've always wanted to know is how you tell/find a curly tree when walking through the woods?  Easy to see with the bark off, but what characteristics give it away in a live, standing tree??

Some guys claim that they can do it, but most claim that it's simply impossible.  If anyone has a proven track record of doing it, I'd surely love to be taught.  In fact, I'd be willing to share some gunstock blanks if someone is truly able to do it and wants to look over my property with me someday (100+ acres in northern Pennsylvania). 

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2016, 06:00:01 PM »
I've heard those same claims, but I don't believe anyone can tell until the bark is skinned off.  The guy who found this one said often when he finds
one on a job, he will find another one there also.  I was told it's a mutation, but maybe the environment contributes.
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2016, 06:05:21 PM »
I usually find the nicest curly hard maple when it is 2' long and coming off the splitter.
When cutting trees I look for the hing tearout, if its curly it lets me know I need to look closer instead of chunking it up.
I've heard lots of theories on how to tell if its got curl but when I follow them it usually gets me more firewood.
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2016, 07:22:34 PM »
I have found it using a theory of mine.  I have found it just as frequently in trees I wouldn't have guessed it was in,  usually it has been in trees that won't yield a blank.  I live about 8 miles from GANGGREEN and there is curly red and sugar maple around here.  I've been told it's genetic.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2016, 09:10:58 PM »
Back when I was climbing these things for a living there was always storys of some old timer being able to pick them out.Did it for a long time and never met one of them old timers.While I didn't make science out of it I couldn't see a difference from one to the next.Heck I seen guys on the site finding buried utilitys grown over with two copper wires and cut copper pipes.Had two ask what are you doing,guy says when you hold them like so the wires will cross and that where the dirt was once disturbed,your pipe down below.It works,so can't say somebody can't see curl in a live tree.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2016, 09:19:27 PM »
Heard a story about a man and one of his children discussing curly maple stocks with a known builder. He said they told him he they planted (or were going to plant) a bunch of curly maple trees as an investment. Wanted to harvest lots of curly maple stock blanks ;D Maybe you could run him down and get so insight on just how to grow those elusive curly maple trees ;D
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2016, 01:52:46 PM »
That's an interesting story Dennis.While I heard it's an ambnormality I wonder if taking the seed from a known tree with curl would yield a higher percentage of the same.

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2016, 03:51:01 PM »
I have seen maple trees on out hunting lease that had bark at the base of the tree that looked like a closed accordion as viewed from the side, tight ripples. I have no doubt these trees were curly at the base  but the wavy bark only went up a foot of so.

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« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2016, 04:20:20 PM »
That's compression curl, so they say. Lots of stock blanks are curly in the buttstock and less so toward the muzzle end.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2016, 09:11:38 PM »
Well, the curl ran out and was not throughout the log.  Very disappointed and probably won't try it again without
debarking the log first to see if the curl keep going.  The tongs let loose at the sawmill and
the log fell crushing the 2" angle top rail of my 6 month old trailer.  Total Fiasco.
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2016, 09:32:26 PM »
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Well, the curl ran out and was not throughout the log.  Very disappointed and probably won't try it again without
debarking the log first to see if the curl keep going.  The tongs let loose at the sawmill and
the log fell crushing the 2" angle top rail of my 6 month old trailer.  Total Fiasco.

Sorry to hear that you had some of my luck! Its a lot of work and disappointment working with just a few logs hoping for good stock blanks. Hope you get some decent grain in the buttstocks.
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #45 on: August 21, 2016, 06:06:00 AM »
I remember reading somewhere that back in the day a wood cutter would select a tree in a location where the wind would have subjected it to constant bending and flexing throughout its growth.

Could be fact, and just as easily a Folk Tale.  Three centuries later, who knows?
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #46 on: August 21, 2016, 02:28:42 PM »
Well, the curl ran out and was not throughout the log.  Very disappointed and probably won't try it again without
debarking the log first to see if the curl keep going.  The tongs let loose at the sawmill and
the log fell crushing the 2" angle top rail of my 6 month old trailer.  Total Fiasco.
Bummer,you get your hopes up and a broken trailer to boot.Maybe next time.....plenty of trees in them there woods

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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2016, 06:32:57 PM »
I went to the same trouble on a huge cherry log, the tree was hit by lightning.



Lots of wood, not a good piece in the lot, all the slabs were full of hairline cracks caused by the lightning;




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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2016, 07:06:37 PM »
Well, the curl ran out and was not throughout the log.  Very disappointed and probably won't try it again without
debarking the log first to see if the curl keep going.  The tongs let loose at the sawmill and
the log fell crushing the 2" angle top rail of my 6 month old trailer.  Total Fiasco.
Sorry to hear about your misfortune -- this is why I recommended that you (or others trying this) let the saw mill do the work of cutting it up and kiln drying it. It might cost a bit more but they do this all the time it is their job. Sometime trying to save some money turns out to cost more in the end - been there - done that ;D..
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Re: Curly Maple Log
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2016, 05:47:07 AM »
Shreckmeister, rest assured you are in good company of those who are driven zombie-like to obtain the illusive hard maple with stock-gracing curl. Were it not for the patience, good-will and pleasant humor of the logging crew I work with, I do not think the quest would be near worth the effort. For every one hundred standing maples I check ( hacking through the bark of standing trees already bought and marked) I average 3-4 with visible curl. I must then decide if any of these tempters are worth hours of digging with pick and shovel around the stump. Then the gnashing and thrashing of chainsawing through the dirt and stone captured in the inclusions below ground level. Then topping and cutting of a 'disk' on the small end, busting it apart and searching for signs of curl to confirm it goes full length. then hauling to the mill and wrestling those obnoxious bell-ends like multi-ton alligators on a machined not engineered for such incoherent dimensions.
Then as the first slabs are exposed, quite often these scoundrels are so ridden with cracks, frost lines, bloated hearts, knots... the list goes on, that they produce few if any marketable stocks...  then stacking, grading, laying out, stacking again, cutting out blanks, re-stacking, letting air-dry long enough to render safe for kilning. Then some commit suicide in the kiln for no good, apparent reason, twisting or cracking. But oh, when you lay eyes on those few that make it, and envision the guns they will make..... inspirational enough to make you want to do it all over again.