Author Topic: Twisting a L & R hammer  (Read 4003 times)

Offline frogwalking

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1044
Twisting a L & R hammer
« on: February 11, 2017, 04:40:41 AM »
I need to twist a percussin hammer on a L & R lock about 5 or 10 degrees .   (probably 5).  That is. the nose needs to be twisted toward the center of the barrel just a little.  Having read what I can find on old threads, it looks like I can do it cold. I just wondered if L & R uses an easily bendable alloy for the hammers?
Quality, schedule, price; Pick any two.

Offline jerrywh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8885
    • Jerrywh-gunmaker- Master  Engraver FEGA.
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2017, 06:17:29 AM »
 If you can file it you can bend it cold [ SOME]
Nobody is always correct, Not even me.

Offline smylee grouch

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7856
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2017, 06:26:02 AM »
I have twisted the L&R hammer's over before. They aren't as "beefy" as some others and the few I have done went ok.

Offline Hungry Horse

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5531
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2017, 09:08:38 PM »
A box end wrench that will fit over the hammer face works very well for putting a little twist in the hammer contact point.

  Hungry Horse

Offline Mark Elliott

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5191
    • Mark Elliott  Artist & Craftsman
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2017, 10:11:34 PM »
I would heat the bend point red hot just to make sure you do no damage. 

Smoketown

  • Guest
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2017, 11:23:22 PM »
I would heat the bend point red hot just to make sure you do no damage.

Yup,

It's a lot easier to re-polish the hammer than it is to weld AND re-polish it !!   ;)

Cheers,
Smoketown

Offline frogwalking

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1044
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2017, 01:07:29 AM »
I think I will heat it.  When I was a teenager, our muzzle loading mentor, who was a retired blacksmith, told us "The devil will get you if you work cold steel".  He might be watching.
Quality, schedule, price; Pick any two.

Offline Hungry Horse

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5531
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2017, 03:35:53 AM »
My black smithing mentor said there is an old saying, that there are only three blacksmiths in $#*!, one for not charging enough for his work, and two for working cold steel.

  Hungry Horse

Offline Curtis

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2325
  • Missouri
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2017, 09:25:23 AM »
I would heat the bend point red hot just to make sure you do no damage.

In my experience I would second Mark's advice.

Curtis
Curtis Allinson
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sometimes, late at night when I am alone in the inner sanctum of my workshop and no one else can see, I sand things using only my fingers for backing

Offline FALout

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 875
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2017, 04:33:04 PM »
Heat it.   It can be a hassle getting it just perfect, trial and error, but heating the hammer will be less likely to break on you.
Bob

Whaleman

  • Guest
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2017, 07:16:42 PM »
This is how I figured out how to bend the cup up and down. Hard to hold without messing up the cup. I had to grind the  tool some to make it work. I had to heat red hot for this bend. Very small sideways bends I was able to do cold. Dan

Offline smylee grouch

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7856
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2017, 07:31:57 PM »
If the hammer strikes the nipple ok but not squarely could you just use a bottoming drill on the inside of the cup to change the angle and save your self the heating and bending operation?

Whaleman

  • Guest
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2017, 07:38:14 PM »
The heating and bending operation does not take very long at all. May take a few heats to get it perfect. Not more than 15 minutes and then it just looks better to me. Dan

Offline little joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 685
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2017, 09:07:09 PM »
I have bent many cold, and hot but if you cannot do repair work you should heat it. I have broken a few and repaired them.

Offline frogwalking

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1044
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2017, 05:09:17 AM »
Heated it, twisted with large adjustable wrench.  It fit on second attempt.  Thanks all.  ( I accidentally got the lock inletted in the right spot so I did not have to bend the cup forward or backwards.) 
Quality, schedule, price; Pick any two.

Offline Chowmi

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 843
Re: Twisting a L & R hammer
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2017, 02:38:23 PM »
  ( I accidentally got the lock inletted in the right spot so I did not have to bend the cup forward or backwards.)

 ;D ;D
Cheers,
Chowmi

NMLRA
CLA