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Offline deepcreekdale

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Ideas and question on using bone
« on: February 23, 2017, 11:14:28 PM »
I have a piece of Sperm whale bone that was originally part of a walking cane my father had made following a plane crash in the Azores when he was flying back home at the end or WWII. Years ago the bottom few inches were broken off but I still have a piece about 30 inches long. I am trying to think of some interesting uses for this bone (not tooth) that would look appropriate for a traditional long rifle. Due to the restrictions on interstate sale of whale bone, this will have to be something personal for me. Any ideas? I was thinking of star on the cheekpiece, possibly also using some dark colored wood for contrast. I have never worked much with bone so would like some advice on using it. If you inlet it, how do you stain the stock afterwards. I normally use AF with LMF Lancaster Maple to tone the color somewhat. I tried a small test piece, the bone does take the stain slightly but not as much as wood however. Is there a way to mask the bone while staining the stock?
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2017, 11:25:00 PM »
If you have a good polish on the bone it won't take much stain. Buff it off with a rag.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2017, 11:30:19 PM »
Good idea Rich , the piece I tested was where it was broken and was a little rough. Thanks. Now I just have to figure out what I want to do with it.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2017, 12:02:55 AM »
Any time you can use something with a personal connection, it makes the gun that much more special. Sitting there on a deer stand or whatever you will think of your dad.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2017, 02:14:51 AM »
Sounds like a wonderful idea to add a personal touch like that to your rifle.I would think what Rich said makes sense,polished to a high sheen should help.Perhaps a sealer of some sort?

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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2017, 02:25:51 AM »
How about a thumb piece with his and your initials?
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2017, 02:37:52 AM »
To keep the bone from taking stain use a good grade of wax, either beeswax or carnuba. They will resist the aqua fortis suprisingly well.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2017, 05:38:05 AM »
Late '60's, one of the guys I shot with in Cincinnati claimed his (original) pistol shot so well because it had a Whalebone Ramrod.

Jest sayin'

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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2017, 06:11:13 AM »
I've seen hunters stars inlaid in the cheekpiece with eight panels,one panel was inlaid in white, the next was,inlaid,in ebony.  I don't know what the maker used for the white panels but it was quite an addition!

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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2017, 12:38:49 PM »
You could make a rifle from the 16/17th centuries and use the entire bone.  Many of those were heavily inlayed with bone and ivory inlays.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2017, 02:28:13 PM »
Hi,
Here is a little bone work.  Just be careful with any intricate inlays because bone is brittle.  You cannot tap it very hard into the wood, just firm finger pressure.  I used Titebond to glue them in but the inlets swelled nicely around them and likely would lock them in without glue. Polish the surface a bit and stain won't penetrate very deeply.  A little rubbing with a gray Scotch Brite pad will remove any staining that does occur.

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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2017, 02:34:40 PM »
How wide is it?  If big enough could use it as a patchbox lid, wood patchbox style, or a set of inlays on a wood patchbox lid.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2017, 02:40:36 PM »
You hit my funnybone.

I have an affinity for bone on my guns, and have placed inlyas in the wooden patchbox cover, at the tip of the patchbox cover, in the cheekpiece and in the wrist.

I have also used it at the muzzle, at the butt of the wood patchbox cover and as a toe plate.  That's where it is at its weakest.

It'll stand out in a striking way against a dark finish.  I learned several things the hard way;

You have to decide early whether you want more white or preservation of any yellow, and especially the nature and placement of the bone.  It is easy to clash with the rest of the rifle.

Make sure you bevel the edges carefully and fully on your inlay.  It won't fit, especially on a curve, if you don't.

A good set of needle files and nail files will be helpful for the bevel

Gently, boy, gently

If up end up with a little gap, a bit of crazy glue in the gap and some careful filing outward over the gap will throw the dust into the gap and cover your boo-boo.  Let it dry and then sand and whisker. 

You won't have to polish it if you are thorough in whiskering

Be real careful about tapping the  bone into place...especially with your antique.  You can't tell how brittle it is with the naked eye.

Since you can't judge how the stain will react with it, unless you are acid based or Aqua Fortis, coat it with rubber cement before staining the gun.  Make sure it covers by looking at it in sunlight.  When you rub off the cement the finish will be in tact.

I guess aqua fortis or similar requires that you take the inlays out before staining.

Please make sure you post some pics.

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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2017, 03:51:57 PM »
Thanks everybody for all the great advice and tips. In size it is about 30 inches long, tapering from about 9/16 inch to about 3/4 inch with a head about 1 inch around and 1 1/4 inch tall round knob. I also have a few small broken pieces, unfortunately one or two are missing so it would be impossible to repair the cane. Smart Dog, your pictures really inspired me, some really great ideas there. I LOVE the bone trigger plate. I had not thought of doing a European style rifle with this, but that would be a wonderful project. Osprey, while not big enough for a patchbox lid, it would be perfect for some inlays. Glenn, I was thinking along your lines with a star on the cheekpiece, there certainly is enough to do that and many of  the other ideas as well. I certainly don't have to put it all on one gun. Bill p's idea about a thumbpiece is good also.
 One interesting thing about this bone, it seems really strong, it took a loaded dresser falling on it while being moved to break it. I guess sperm whales are tough! It is made from the jawbone. It is not as fine grained like ivory, but does have a beautiful mellow tone where polished and aged.
Once I figure out the picture posting thing, I will be happy to show what I come up with.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2017, 12:12:51 AM »
How about the rifle by Berryman Compton...

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=4004.0

I love this rifle.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 04:14:09 AM »
There is a rifle in Battle Weapons of the American Revolution that has a bone cheek piece and the entire length from the toe to the back of the trigger guard is bone.  I know if it is in another one of my books, but I cannot remember it now.

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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2017, 10:35:11 AM »
JCKelly’s comment about a whalebone pistol ramrod brings up the two meanings of “whalebone”.

!) WHALEBONE CANES:  In this thread, we are talking about real bone (off-white, hard, dense, and relatively brittle). The cane in question is surely made from this real bone and probably came from the lower jaw of a sperm whale. Those whales provide the big teeth used for scrimshaw work. The pistol ramrod may also be real bone, but would break easier than wood.

2) WHALEBONE RAMRODS: Baleen is also called “whalebone” and is usually black and somewhat pliable. It is a hair derivative like fingernails, hoofs, and horn sheaths. The thickest pieces (about 3/8”) make really good somewhat flexible ramrods for rifles and fowlers, and they are found on some fancy European long guns.

Baleen grows from the top jaws of baleen whales, and a 50 foot long bowhead whale may have some 14’ long plates of it about a foot wide at the base and up to 3/8” thick. Each plate has a long hairy fringe on the inner edge that filters out the plankton from the sea water to nourish the whale. Baleen was used much like plastic is used today, and was the predominant materiel of corset stays.

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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2017, 07:47:51 PM »
This is a bone inlay (took one of my dogs chew bones) I used instead of the ivory I had planned on using.
With all the questions about ivory I decided not to put it on a customers gun.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2017, 02:39:05 PM »
Not really gun related but true nevertheless.....Several years ago, while finishing up a mandolin, I needed a peice of bone for the nut. I didn't have anything on hand and hadn't even anticipated needing it. I said out loud, "I wish I had a piece of bone."
A moment later I heard a KLUNK on ther floor.
I turned around to see what it was and my little puppy dog was standing over a huge bone- like a femur from a cow sized bone.
I have no idea where she found that bone but it was dry and just what I needed.
Incredible....

BTW- I think that bone inlay^ looks pretty good.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2017, 03:52:29 PM »
Boy, no offence but, but why not fix the cane? A WW2 artifact with a story like that has
got to be a treasure already and will only become more so as time passes. Its irreplaceable
on so many levels. Personally Id think long and hard before cutting on it...just my thoughts...
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2017, 05:24:33 PM »
T.C, your point is well taken I have thought long and hard on that. Yes, it does have a lot of meaning to me, when I was young, I remember my father using it occasionally as he still had residual back pain from time to time as a result. (That was before the era of widespread disability for veterans.) Just a little back story, my dad was flying home from a layover in the Azores in a PBY, the propeller apparently struck a wave on takeoff and the plane broke apart, he was the only passenger to get out. Unfortunately, there are several small pieces missing that make a decent repair impossible. The grain structure of whale bone appears different from any other bone I have tried to match. It is almost impossible to purchase whalebone now as state to state sale is prohibited. So, what I have is a broken cane, about 28-30 inches long. I have been keeping it for years in the hope of doing something special with it. I was thinking about making a presentation grade gun to give to my oldest son, he was a sniper in Afghanistan with multiple tours, it would be a special link between generations of the family.
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Re: Ideas and question on using bone
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2017, 06:46:55 PM »
T.C, your point is well taken I have thought long and hard on that. Yes, it does have a lot of meaning to me, when I was young, I remember my father using it occasionally as he still had residual back pain from time to time as a result. (That was before the era of widespread disability for veterans.) Just a little back story, my dad was flying home from a layover in the Azores in a PBY, the propeller apparently struck a wave on takeoff and the plane broke apart, he was the only passenger to get out. Unfortunately, there are several small pieces missing that make a decent repair impossible. The grain structure of whale bone appears different from any other bone I have tried to match. It is almost impossible to purchase whalebone now as state to state sale is prohibited. So, what I have is a broken cane, about 28-30 inches long. I have been keeping it for years in the hope of doing something special with it. I was thinking about making a presentation grade gun to give to my oldest son, he was a sniper in Afghanistan with multiple tours, it would be a special link between generations of the family.

I like TC's idea of restoring the cane, the material used to effect the repair does not have to be "matched" bone. I also like your idea of a presentation firearm incorporating the bone. Two good heirloom options. If it were me I would give some hard thought and research into restoring the cane, if that proved fruitless then the second option would be on the table.

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