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Offline Ed Wenger

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Bucks County rifle.....
« on: April 27, 2017, 04:55:43 AM »
This is a Bucks County rifle I recently completed.  I also posted photos on the CLA Facebook page, so apologies if you've seen them before...  This rifle is based on an original that came through Jack Brooks shop for restoration, and from which he took tracings and dimensions.  It was thought the original piece was by Shuler, but upon further review, it is now believed by most to be from an unknown hand. 

This rifle is stocked in one of Dunlap's sugar maple blanks.  The barrel is a Rice, Bucks Co. profile (taken from an original Shuler), 41", .54 cal.  The lock is a Davis Early Colonial.  This is a big lock and not one normally associated with a Bucks CO. school rifle.  However, the original rifle maintained the original lock plate, and was almost identical to the modern Davis lock.  I personally like the "look" of the bigger lock, and think it makes for a unique piece.  The trigger guard and butt piece are from Dave Keck, all the other hardware I made.  The incised carving closely follows the original.  It's probably hard to see, but I slightly relieved the carving around the barrel tang.  The stock was scraped, with no sandpaper used.  Iron Nitrate was used to stain the stock, then finished with Permalyn sealer.

Thanks for looking, and if you have any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them... 

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Re: Bucks County rifle.....
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 05:02:51 AM »
Great rifle as always Ed.Lot to like there........

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 05:05:22 AM »
Absolutely beautiful!
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 05:31:59 AM »
Another beautiful rifle, Ed. Thanks for posting.           Bob
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 05:38:52 AM »
I agree, very nice. Very cleanly done.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 05:42:46 AM »
Ed, how do you get your incised lines both deep and even like that?  Nicely done, of course.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 05:44:37 AM »
Wow, absolutely gorgeous sir!

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 06:47:38 AM »
Great job as always!   I really like the crisp and even incised carving. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 07:10:47 AM »
Ed,
that is wonderful, thank you for posting pictures. 
I love the carving, as has been mentioned already.

I agree with your take on the big lock.  I think it looks great.  It manages to achieve two things:  it draws your attention to the functional area of the gun, and is not so large that it stands out. It does not add "fatness" to the rifle.  The lock mortise is nice and skinny, and the trigger plate is so close and up high that the rifle is still wonderfully skinny around the lock.  I love it. 

I also want to know how you get such sharp incise carving.  I cannot seem to do this!

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 07:30:56 AM »
Ed,
All I can say is....well done my friend!
If others knew just how hard that quality of incised carving is,.....they would be drooling as I am.  If you think raised carving is hard.... try some nice incised. It will humble you in a hurry!
Just beautiful!  I love that big clunky lock!
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 08:15:04 AM »
Maybe it's because it's late at night, or maybe it's the beer...

But I just can't stop looking at that rifle and the big lock.  It's great.  It looks like it means business!  It's like an artist with bold strokes of paint, it has an impact.  It makes me want to build it!!

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 10:29:56 AM »
Outstanding work and a beautiful rifle! I think that the larger lock gives the illusion of a slimmer rifle, not that this rifle needed help looking slim! It's just that a larger lock makes everything else around it look smaller by comparison.  I love the look of a larger lock and feel that it fits well with and enhances the looks of the Bucks County style rifles. Again, great rifle and thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 10:42:37 AM »
Beautiful.

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 02:03:48 PM »
Hi Ed,
Really nice gun!  Your incised carving is a clean as any I've ever seen.  I like the big lock as well although I wish Davis used bigger internal screws on it. I also love the color you achieved and that you kept the engraving appropriately simple.  It is a very handsome gun.

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 02:11:14 PM »
Thanks, all, for the kind words, greatly appreciated.

98% of the incised carving was done with gouges.  I've never been able to achieve results that I was happy with utilizing a "V" gouge.  Various size gouges were utilized to create the designs by stabbing, leaning the gouge towards the design, establishing one side of the "V".  For convex parts, a gouge was also used, leaning the tool away from the design to create the "V".  The small sliver of wood was then removed.  For concave parts, I typically used a small knife, or double bevel skew to cut the second line, creating the "V".  Hope that makes sense....  I believe there's historical president for this method, although the majority of incised carving I've seen was most likely done with a "V" gouge. 

Thanks again!

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2017, 02:11:33 PM »
Always appreciate viewing beautiful Bucks County LRs....and yours  is just that. The carving is exquisite and the stock architecture is all Bucks County. Any idea as to when the original was made? I think it's an earlier BC  judging from yours. Thanks for showing......Fred

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2017, 02:22:41 PM »
Ed, I have to say you definitely captured the look with this one.  Very fine architecture, carving and engraving as well! 

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2017, 02:36:33 PM »
Thanks, all, for the kind words, greatly appreciated.

98% of the incised carving was done with gouges.  I've never been able to achieve results that I was happy with utilizing a "V" gouge.  Various size gouges were utilized to create the designs by stabbing, leaning the gouge towards the design, establishing one side of the "V".  For convex parts, a gouge was also used, leaning the tool away from the design to create the "V".  The small sliver of wood was then removed.  For concave parts, I typically used a small knife, or double bevel skew to cut the second line, creating the "V".  Hope that makes sense....  I believe there's historical president for this method, although the majority of incised carving I've seen was most likely done with a "V" gouge. 

Thanks again!

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Hi Ed,
That is very interesting.  I use a "V" gouge but have never been happy with my results.  I am going to try stabbing. The other benefit is that gouges are a lot easier to sharpen correctly.  Ed, on your little triangular accents, do you start your gouge in shallow, letting the cut deepen, and then tip it up to break off the chip and leave the curved end, or do you make more than one cut?

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Re: Bucks County rifle.....
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2017, 02:48:30 PM »
Ed, is there any advantage to using the sealer as  a finish rather than the finish its self other than the sealer dry's quicker? Just curious. Mikeh
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2017, 02:53:25 PM »
Ed, absolutely beautiful looking rifle in every aspect. Amazing work! Mikeh
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2017, 03:50:02 PM »
Your rifle looks great!

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2017, 04:08:15 PM »
Gee Ed, that's a beauty.  It looks like Distlefink's little brother. 

I too appreciate the slim lines accented by the lock.  I especially like the way the back of the mortise follows the upturned tail of the lock.  Nice detail. 

I also found the minimal engraving an interesting contrast to the elaborate incised carving.  That is the most extensive incised work I've seen you do, and it looks fantastic.  I'd guess it took forever, but I have to keep in mind that you are very fast at wood carving.  Thank you for sharing with us how you get that incised line.  If I tried it'd look like a tractor wheel through mud! 

Your stain is still working for you.  Super color. 

Mikeh, I have the Permalyn sealer on my rifle as the finish coat and it seems pretty impervious to damage.  Nice satin luster once it has been rubbed back.  Ed's quite adept at this. 

Great job.  Best wishes,   Marc

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2017, 04:10:28 PM »
That is one LOW and I am sure historically correct rear sight!   :-) 

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Re: Bucks County rifle.....
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2017, 04:16:53 PM »
As nice as they get.
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Re: Bucks County rifle.....
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2017, 04:32:46 PM »
Dave..., for the triangle accents, I stab in a central line, and a "base line", making a "T".   If it's a curved accent the appropriate curved gouge is used, if straight, I use a double bevel skew.  I then use a small double bevel skew to create the two sides, like chip carving.  Hope that makes sense...

Mikeh..., Permalyn sealer and finish are exactly the same thing, the sealer is just thinned out more.  I learned this technique from Bill Shipman.  After the stock is stained, it's soaked with the sealer.  I use a brush and really slather it on, until the wood doesn't readily accept any more, then move on to the next area.  Let the sealer dry for 24 hours.  The following coats are applied with a small cloth (2"x2", 3"x3").  Get the cloth nice and wet, and gently wipe on the sealer.  It takes about two minutes to do the whole stock.  Just be careful of runs...  Don't rub, just wipe it on.  Let it sit until it feels dry, usually around three hours, maybe a bit longer, then apply additional coats in the same manner.  I typically do four to five coats in this manner.  After the sealer is dried, the entire stock is rubbed with mineral oil or paraffin oil, and rotten stone or pumice stone.  I use an old tooth brush for the oil / stone scrubbing.  I usually put the oil on the stock with the tooth brush, then sprinkle on the stone powder.  Wipe off with a clean rag.  Go slow at first until you get the desired results.  Too much vigorous scrubbing can take off the varnish...  Once you get the hang of it, it's simple.  Also..., I find that I use almost an entire can of Permalyn using this method.  The first "soaking" coat is important...

The only advantage I've found is that the sealer doesn't tend to build up around raised carving, or fill incised carving like the finish does. 

Sorry for the dissertation.  I know everyone typically has strong feelings regarding finishing and finishes, but after using just about everything in the book, I kept circling back to this method, which works for me.


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