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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2017, 04:31:02 PM »
I may still have some bits and pieces for these
if I can find them.Free of cost if I DO have them.

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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2017, 08:48:52 PM »
This design, with a different adjustment screw, appears in George's "English Guns and Rifles".  I have made several for pistols and one form my swivel breech. Its by far the best SS trigger I have come across.

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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2017, 05:08:45 AM »
This design, with a different adjustment screw, appears in George's "English Guns and Rifles".  I have made several for pistols and one form my swivel breech. Its by far the best SS trigger I have come across.

Dan

Actually it is fundamentally different than the one drawn in George's book. The one shown by George adjusts the release by adjusting the sear engagement. This design has a fixed sear engagement and the release force is adjusted, rather than the sear engagement. The release force is a fixed quantity in George's design.

I thought it was like the one in George's book as well at first, but after doing a detailed layout I realized it was fundamentally different. The sear in this design is not neutral. The force created by the reaction of the main spring force acts to force the sear open. It must be balanced out by the strong sear spring force to keep it latched. The diagram in George has the main spring force acting to keep the sear latched, i.e. neutral, it will not trip because the line of action of the reaction force from the main spring creates a closing moment on the sear, it will always stay latched even without a sear spring. So the only way you can make George's sear trip is by pushing it with the trigger, so the friction in the action will create a perceptible force, and consequently, perceptible creep. Whereas this design shown above uses the main spring force to open the sear, so the sear engagement can be kept large, and there won't be perceptible creep, as the trigger flies away as soon as you upset the balance between the sear and main spring.

Mike

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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2017, 08:42:54 AM »
Mike,
I don't think you should make one.

I think you should make a lot of them.   ;)

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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2018, 02:30:09 PM »
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I have never seen an American built gun with one of these English type single set triggers before. Is this unusual?

Mike

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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2018, 03:26:25 PM »
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I have never seen an American built gun with one of these English type single set triggers before. Is this unusual?

Mike

I have seen them on American target rifles from the Northeast.
One was on a George Ferris percussion target rifle I used in
competition nearly 60 years ago.It was owned by E.M.Farris
one of the founders of the NMLRA and we shot in the National
Guard Armory in Portsmouth,Ohio. 40 caliber maximum and 40
grains of powder,round ball only and no peep sights.It was fun
and I won several baskets of groceries with Farris's Ferris.
Bob Roller

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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2018, 12:22:48 AM »
Bob,

Have you thought about writing a book? You have forgotten more stuff in the last ten minutes than I know.

Just a collection of random recollections would be facinating.

Mike

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Re: English single set trigger
« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2018, 12:34:14 AM »
MBS used to sell a decent one, but I cannot find it on their on-line catalogue.  Too bad!
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