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Offline Ray Settanta

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Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:42:42 AM »
After reading many posts about longrifles on this forum, I have come to the conclusion that building an authentic Lehigh Valley longrifle is a bit beyond my capabilities at this time. I have not built any muzzleloaders before and I have done enough woodworking to know that without experience, a finely crafted, hand carved and engraved longrifle will take some working up to. So, since Hawken rifles strike a cord with me, would the Lyman Great Plains flintlock Rifle kit be a good place to start out? It looks like it needs some work to finish- that's what I want- but I don't know anything about the quality. I do like the price though. Any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome.

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2017, 03:41:19 AM »
The quality is pretty good and they make a serviceable rifle. I've built several and while they are not particularly difficult there are some challenges.  There is room for individualizing them.  I have built several and they shoot quite well.
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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2017, 04:08:53 AM »
The Lyman rifle is made by Investarms for them.  The Investarms Hawken is the same rifle except it has brass instead of steel hardware.  It's also a lot cheaper because you're not paying for the Lyman name.  I built a couple of them for my sons back in the 90's.
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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2017, 09:20:08 AM »
A longrifle doesn't need to be hand carved or engraved to make a nice rifle. I would suggest you put the decorations on hold and concentrate on building a nice, plain longrifle. If you use quality parts it can still be a real shooter and nice looking also. I would start with a parts set (kit) with a curly maple stock, add a few simple incised lines and work on a good wood finish and have fun.
I had a GPR flintlock and they can be good shooters. I think they are appropriate for a first build.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2017, 02:36:26 PM »
I have never built a Lyman kit so I can not comment on the degree of difficulty.  However, if you decide to go forward, you have a very competent and responsive resource here in this site. Ask questions and when in doubt: stop - look - listen. 
I think you will find a degree of satisfaction in building this rifle that is pretty hard to imagine if you haven't done one before.
Go for it. 

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2017, 06:42:07 PM »
Those are good kits to start out on.Go to duelist 1959 on u tube.He ha a building video on that same rifle.It will give you an insight on what you will be doing.

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2017, 07:04:06 PM »
That was my first muzzleloader:  a .50 flint GPR.  My initial impressions after first benching that rifle over sandbags were:

(1) I was absolutely shocked at its inherent accuracy - much better than anything I'd expected.  The barrel, at least in mine, is most definitely a keeper! 

(2)  The Lyman flint locks themselves are pretty sad:  weak (coil) spring; soft frizzen; bad cock-to-frizzen geometry; rough sear with poor geometry; etc.  (L&R RPL-05-F is a MUCH better lock, especially once tuned according to instructions in the Peter Alexander book; it's not exactly a "drop-in", but pretty doggone close, with a little careful inletting.) 

(Once I got the new lock tuned and installed, spark-to-ignition time still seemed a little dreary, so I replaced the factory touchhole liner with a Chambers' "White Lightning";  MAJOR difference.)

(3)  Lyman factory trigger set is... could be a heckuva lot better, but can be adjusted to a gnat's-hair letoff - which still doesn't do anything for the backslap, rough gritty guts, etc.  (L&R makes a replacement set, in their "Deerslayer" line). 

(4)  The stock.  Herein lies the rub, at least for me.  The factory stock was comfortable for me, period. 

There is, as longcruise says, room for personalization, but for me, the far greater issue than the (personally offensive) looks is the lay of the grain through the wrist:  extremely weak:  mine broke (long, embarrassing story... but it broke at a weak piece of grain).  Therefore, my barrel and lock are gonna be getting a new stock soon, once I've decided just how much of the Lyman steel I'm going to be reusing and inletting. 

(5)  I did replace the triggerguard with one I built; didn't care for the look of theirs, and I wanted a little more room for a gloved hand (late elk season here in NV can be a little frosty).

And, (6)  Personal choice here, but I do wish mine was a .54, which has nothing at all to do with your questions. 

So, that's pretty much the pro's and con's I've found with my own. 

« Last Edit: May 20, 2017, 07:16:20 PM by Dave Patterson »

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2017, 09:29:10 PM »
L&R's LOCK-LR-05-F for Lyman Grt Plns is $175 at Track. I usually need some odd little things, too, so order locks from TOW, others may prefer direct to L&R

Plains rifle - yeah, you bin carrin' it across your saddle, broke the stock fighin' w some Sioux/Grizzly Bear/Wife so must fix it. One might use a Modern method, glue & screws, then hide that nasty modern fix with deer rawhide. Authentic repair, one might think it adds Colour to your rifle. Haven't used mine yet, but got mule deer rawhide & discussion from https://furandhide.com/products/categories/rawhide

And/or decorate with 7/16" brass tacks, nice authentic originals available on Ebay.  If you happen not to have an actual scalplock to hang from the forestock, well, most won't know the difference if you use horsehair.

Lots of options for decoration . . . ever hear of that finger necklace that Pa Keeler, Michigan, had?

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2017, 07:57:54 AM »
Thanks everybody for all the great information. I will pick up the Lyman. It should be a good beginning to a long and pleasant journey.

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2017, 08:16:03 AM »
I managed to build a very serviceable flintlock longrifle from a Jim Chambers kit and think they are a great starting place.  There is enough work to be done to make you learn many lesson and the components are first rate.  Excellent locks and barrels and that is the heart of any muzzleloader 

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2017, 04:02:46 PM »
Ray, I don`t know if you like Southern Mountain Rifle style or not  but, you would be hard pressed to find a better rifle kit than a Kibler kit. Top quality components , easy to put together, beautiful architecture.  Just an option.

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2017, 04:41:10 PM »
  Also the Kibler kit is a longrifle. Most important he stands behind his products. JMHO    Oldtravler

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2017, 12:31:58 AM »
I have looked at the Chambers and Kibler kits but decided that a $1,000 was too much to spend on a first time build. In the future, after gaining some experience, because of my North Carolina and Alabama roots, I want to try the Kimber kit.

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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2017, 02:06:14 PM »
I have looked at the Chambers and Kibler kits but decided that a $1,000 was too much to spend on a first time build. In the future, after gaining some experience, because of my North Carolina and Alabama roots, I want to try the Kimber kit.

I just finished a Kibler kit and found the build to be fun, educational and worth every penny.  The support from Jim and from Katherine is outstanding and the finished product came out very well (still haven't gotten pics worth posting). Took the rifle to the range yesterday and the accuracy is outstanding; need to make some sight adjustments naturally.  Only issue is that in the browning process I must have softened the face of the frizzen because the sparks that it produced prior to it being browned are now very infrequent and weak.  Need to order a new frizzen or learn how to harden the one I have now.....

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2017, 03:14:05 PM »
Polekat

You can use a Harding's compound. Heat the frizzen until it is red. You put the Harding's compound on the face, then it will melt.
Cool the frizzen in water and than you will have a spark! clean it warm a little and brown again , not the face.

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Re: Lyman Great Plains Rifle Flintlock Kit
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2017, 05:30:45 AM »
Why'n'tya try gently cleaning off that brown, before you learn the peculiarities of case hardening??

Damnifino how you can soften a frizzen by browning it

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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2017, 01:07:07 PM »
Why'n'tya try gently cleaning off that brown, before you learn the peculiarities of case hardening??

Damnifino how you can soften a frizzen by browning it

I did not brown the face of the frizzen - just the back.  I suppose I overheated it in the browning process and it lost its hardness.  Sparked fine before I destroyed it.  On a more positive note, I did manage to crank off 7 shots before giving up (must have dropped the hammer @ 30 times) and the rifle printed a group of about 2" at 50 yards.  Kind of low and left but the group was very nice for it's initial run.

Jim Kibler offered to re-harden the frizzen.  I continue to be very impressed by the service and availability of this guy to help and have made sure that everyone at the gun club who asks about this rifle hears about him too.