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Offline conquerordie

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Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« on: July 03, 2017, 04:21:07 PM »
I'm thinking about stitching up one of these belt pouches. Are they constructed simply like the Lemual Lyman pouch? Are the flaps and back one piece? Lastly, what thickness should I use? I'd like to make one like you see in paintings of sportsman from  the mid 1700s on. Thanks for any insights into these pouches.
Greg

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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2017, 05:38:43 PM »
These look very handy but I wonder where they kept all the junk I keep in my shoulder pouch. Would be handy for balls and patching. Thinking one of these would speed loading from bag.
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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2017, 06:14:30 PM »
Anywhere from 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 mm is fine. Mostly personal preferance. They can be made like the Lyman, in pieces but sewn the same, likewise but bound, or sewn inside out and turned.  If you can view my facebook page (have not finalized moving to imgur from photobucket) at James Rogers - 18th Century Sporting you can see one I just made. It has a shoulder strap but is the same for the belt bag. It is based on two different 18th century English sporting images.
Rich, they utilized their pockets : )
I think shot and wadding was about all they carried in there.
Cleaning worm was usually attached to the ramrod.
 
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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2017, 06:42:29 PM »
James, thanks. Looks like I will have to make real pockets when I sew up my next set of breeches.
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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2017, 06:47:18 PM »

I'd like to make one like you see in paintings of sportsman from the mid 1700s on.

These look very handy but I wonder where they kept all the junk I keep in my shoulder pouch. Would be handy for balls and patching. Thinking one of these would speed loading from bag.

I'm thinking that your man servant would be carrying all of the "other stuff".   ;)

Perhaps, even your "spare" sporting arm.   8)

Cheers,
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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2017, 07:22:30 PM »
Smoketown, possibly sometimes but not universal.

Rich, I did the same ; ) Some images even show things protruding from pockets. Wow! Don't like how that sentence came out but it's the best I can do : )

To the OP..... I'm making a Lyman style now out of probably 6 0z- 2.4 mm leather
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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2017, 12:16:46 AM »
Alright,
I'll search for 5-6oz leather and give it a go.  Haven't decided if I'm going to have internal or external stitching. I guess I'll go with what I'm feeling like that day! Thank you all for your thoughts and ideas.
Greg

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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2017, 12:26:24 AM »
I think lighter leather might be in order. The Lyman pouch is embossed and likely reclaimed leather from a  from a early piece of furniture.
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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2017, 01:39:00 AM »
I agree with the lighter leather as per my first post.
Conquerordie, If you are going to flip it, definitely go lighter as you know.
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Re: Mid 1700s belt pouch construction question
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2017, 04:45:30 AM »
Yeah it will depend on what I go with. I'll keep both in mind. I never heard the belief that the Lyman pouch might have came from a piece of furniture. Very interesting.
Greg