Author Topic: Just completed lock  (Read 14078 times)

Offline Stophel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4532
  • Chris Immel
Just completed lock
« on: April 23, 2009, 03:34:58 AM »
Here's a lock I just completed that is going on a Lehigh rifle I'm working on.







« Last Edit: April 23, 2009, 03:38:14 AM by Stophel »
When a reenactor says "They didn't write everything down"   what that really means is: "I'm too lazy to look for documentation."

Offline D. Taylor Sapergia

  • Member 3
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 12671
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2009, 04:06:48 AM »
You've done a nice job finishing that lock up Chris.  I don't as yet own one of those, but I can see now that one is in my future.  Was the lock a kit, or did you just reharden and temper the frizzen just because.
D. Taylor Sapergia
www.sapergia.blogspot.com

Art is not an object.  It is the excitement inspired by the object.

Longarm

  • Guest
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2009, 05:01:56 AM »
Very nice job, that frizzen color looks perfect to me.
    Larry

Madcaster

  • Guest
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2009, 06:21:01 AM »
 Great workmanship!

Offline t.caster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3729
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2009, 05:18:54 PM »
Was it a Siler kit or....looks like a Deluxe Siler?

Are you really finished with it? Inside of the plate looks mighty rough! I'd spend more time polishing the inside than the outside. Mechanical functionality trumps good looks every time! ;D
Tom C.

Offline t.caster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3729
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 06:02:38 PM »
Stophel, I apologize if that sounded critical! It was meant more in the spirit of mentoring and teaching. I know....who am I to teach you? My Master would have told me "you're not done yet", and leave me to figure out why not. I try to be a little more helpful with the apprentices than he was.
Tom C.

Online rich pierce

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19521
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 06:13:01 PM »
I think the RE Davis Jack Haugh lock is the basis for your re-work.  Nicely done.  Excellent re-shaping of the cock and tail of the lock, plus the top jaw screw looks great.   Nice job on the pan bridle too.

(I edited this post once I figured out which lock you started with).
« Last Edit: April 23, 2009, 06:22:17 PM by richpierce »
Andover, Vermont

Offline Mike Brooks

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13415
    • Mike Brooks Gunmaker
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 06:15:24 PM »
Looks like a re-worked Davis lock to me.  Nicely done.  Excellent re-shaping of the cock and tail of the lock, plus the top jaw screw looks great.  Did you add the pan bridle too?  If the lock I'm thinking of is the basis, then you did and did a fine job of it.
That would be my guess as well.
NEW WEBSITE! www.mikebrooksflintlocks.com
Say, any of you boys smithies? Or, if not smithies per se, were you otherwise trained in the metallurgic arts before straitened circumstances forced you into a life of aimless wanderin'?

Offline Stophel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4532
  • Chris Immel
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 08:59:43 PM »
While I do need to do final filing on the bolster to fit to the barrel, the rest of the inside of the plate is fine.  Absolute flatness or smoothness is not required.  The only places that have to be smooth is where moving parts touch. If moving parts don't touch, filing it any smoother is pointless.  It's already considerably nicer than the average late 18th century German import lock!

The lock started out as.....a Siler kit.  I think the WORST thing I could possibly do is send out a gun with a lock that is easily recognizeable as a standard factory lock.  Especially a Siler.  I can spot a Siler a mile away. :-[

The plate was reshaped some, and the tail refiled.  The cock is one of the "blank" cocks from Track of the Wolf (which I use often).  The immediately-recognizeable Siler pan was reshaped to something more attractive.  The tail of the frizzen was forged around to curl it up and it was reshaped and refiled.  The double-screw solid bridle was made by me.  Sawn out of 3/8" mild steel.  The spring was an old one I found in my parts box that I had put on something in the past (don't remember what), that was filed thinner to help clear the barrel (It's a skinny 1" barrel, so I need all the help I can get).  Yeah, I can notch the barrel, but I'd prefer to not do that if I don't have to...mostly I just don't like the wood breaking through.
I leaned the frizzen back a bit to make a smoother strike of the flint.

Lockplate is case hardened (though I only really worried about hardening the area around the tumbler hole).  The bridle is case hardened.  The frizzen is case hardened and tempered down.  Those pretty colors will be gone soon.  Tumbler and bridle are oil hardened normally and tempered.

That's not a real pretty frizzen spring, but I had it, so I used it.  It works well.  I think it's off a Davis something or other.  Something I had in my parts box.
When a reenactor says "They didn't write everything down"   what that really means is: "I'm too lazy to look for documentation."

Offline Dphariss

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9920
  • Kill a Commie for your Mommy
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 09:27:33 PM »
Nicely done.

Dan
He who dares not offend cannot be honest. Thomas Paine

Offline Benedict

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 261
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 09:32:03 PM »
I was really taken by the top jaw screw.  Is that one you made or did it come with the "blank"cock?

Good job!

Bruce

Offline Z. Buck

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 654
  • Fabricati Diem Pvnc
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 10:27:14 PM »
very nice, i too liked the top jaw screw, looks great all around, thanks for sharing
I Make Inflammatory Statements

Be Prepared

Offline t.caster

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3729
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 10:47:45 PM »
The lock started out as.....a Siler kit.  I think the WORST thing I could possibly do is send out a gun with a lock that is easily recognizeable as a standard factory lock.  Especially a Siler.  I can spot a Siler a mile away. :-[

eH YEP...seen it right off!
I spotted the different cockscrew and bridle...homemade I figured! And something diff. about the frizzen besides the color. Reshaping plate is something I always try to do too, depending on the original. The original Bucks Co. rifle rendition I am working on now has a lock that is a dead ringer for a Siler, so only a little change to the plate slope above the bridle & sear spring.

Nice work on all the other modifications!
Tom C.

Offline Stophel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4532
  • Chris Immel
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 11:21:05 PM »
The Siler plate shape ain't bad.  SOOO many old locks have virtually identical plate shapes, but the Siler cock and pan are like flashing neon signs screaming "Look at me, I'm a Siler lock!".

The top jaw screw I think is going to be one of my new "trademarks".  I've done a couple this way now and like the shape.  I "turned" it out (in a drill press with a file) of some ugly screw with a huge round head.  I don't know what it came from.

When a reenactor says "They didn't write everything down"   what that really means is: "I'm too lazy to look for documentation."

Offline Eric Kettenburg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4177
    • Eric Kettenburg
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009, 05:31:46 AM »
Chris I love ya and you can call me a prick.  I like the lock - hate the jaw screw.  It just doesn't look 'old American.'  Look like something that ought to be on a German rifle in the Met.  I'm sorry I'm sorry!  Just being cranky.
Strange women lying in ponds, distributing swords, is no basis for a system of government!

Offline Brian Jordan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 548
  • Pennsylvania
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2009, 01:46:20 PM »
Very nice!
Elizabeth, PA

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"...Thomas Jefferson

Let's Go Brandon!

Offline Stophel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4532
  • Chris Immel
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2009, 07:43:22 PM »
I believe I copied that screw off a German rifle I have in a book somewhere...
When a reenactor says "They didn't write everything down"   what that really means is: "I'm too lazy to look for documentation."

Offline Acer Saccharum

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19311
    • Thomas  A Curran
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2009, 05:38:06 AM »
I copied that screw off

Are you talking about me? Can we talk about this over a Yeungling in July?
Tom Curran's web site : http://monstermachineshop.net
Ramrod scrapers are all sold out.

tg

  • Guest
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2009, 01:34:00 AM »
That looks good Chris, if more builders could do work like that there could be a lot more "correct" locks on many of todays guns, I assume the step is to make up an ample supply of lead flintholders of various thickness ;)

msblacksmith

  • Guest
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 06:27:25 AM »
looks good. :)

Offline T*O*F

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5121
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 07:15:42 AM »
Quote
looks good. 


msblacksmith,
It is proper etiquette to introduce yourself before you start posting.  In fact, your introduction should be your first post.  Instead, you have worked your way back thru old postings which have already run their course and responded with "me too" and one-liner postings that add no value to the topic being discussed.

It's rapidly becoming irritating and you will find that many will not share their advice with a stranger.  Instead of hiding behind an anonymous handle, tell us who you are, where you are, and your interests and level of expertise.  You will then be welcomed and you can start participating by adding meaningful content to current threads, instead of wasting our reading time on your minimal exclamatory responses.
Dave Kanger

If religion is opium for the masses, the internet is a crack, pixel-huffing orgy that deafens the brain, numbs the senses and scrambles our peer list to include every anonymous loser, twisted deviant, and freak as well as people we normally wouldn't give the time of day.
-S.M. Tomlinson

Offline Stophel

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4532
  • Chris Immel
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 08:03:53 PM »
I, on the other hand, don't really mind much at all.   ;D

Welcome, msblacksmith!

 ;)
When a reenactor says "They didn't write everything down"   what that really means is: "I'm too lazy to look for documentation."

Offline jerrywh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8885
    • Jerrywh-gunmaker- Master  Engraver FEGA.
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2009, 08:29:26 PM »
Nice job on the frizzen tempering. I think it should have been polished also.  You did a good job on the lock . I agree with Eric on the screw.   Friendly honest opinion.
Nobody is always correct, Not even me.

fullcircle

  • Guest
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2009, 09:26:13 PM »
god forbid any of us Noobies should try to tread on your hallowed ground here.Right TOF?  Let alone compliment someone. Where is the introduction forum?

Offline jerrywh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8885
    • Jerrywh-gunmaker- Master  Engraver FEGA.
Re: Just completed lock
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2009, 11:00:10 PM »
I agree in theory with TOF. I think it is onlt good manners to introduce your self. A lot of u sdon't like to give advise to strangers. I would have suggested it in a kinder fashon.
Nobody is always correct, Not even me.