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dueling pistol shape
« on: July 16, 2017, 03:53:33 AM »
Does anyone have a completed picture of a pistol using a precarve flat sided grip stock?  Thanks    Phil

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Re: dueling pistol shape
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 04:01:32 AM »
Hi,
Here you go. No pre-carved stock will give you this.







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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 04:16:20 AM »
Dueling pistol stock has to fit your own personal hand. So it hits right where you point.

You reckon you can find a stock Precarved for your own hand?

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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 05:17:41 PM »
Dave, Did you add the safety slides?  What locks?   Very Nice!!!

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 12:22:08 PM »
Very nice job on those pistols smart dog, First class job all the way around.
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Re: dueling pistol shape
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 01:37:38 PM »
Hi and Thanks,
The locks Nate, are built from castings of an original Wodgon pistol lock.  The parts were from Blackley's in England.  I made all the springs and screws.  Phil, you may be able to get a true English dueling pistol profile starting with a precarved pistol stock but all of those stocks I've seen are designed for locks that are too big to get the profile right.  They extend too far back from the breech before the handle can turn downward. The problem with building English dueling pistols today is that no one makes the right lock (except casting) or trigger guard.

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Re: dueling pistol shape
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 03:11:49 PM »
Hi and Thanks,
The locks Nate, are built from castings of an original Wodgon pistol lock.  The parts were from Blackley's in England.  I made all the springs and screws.  Phil, you may be able to get a true English dueling pistol profile starting with a precarved pistol stock but all of those stocks I've seen are designed for locks that are too big to get the profile right.  They extend too far back from the breech before the handle can turn downward. The problem with building English dueling pistols today is that no one makes the right lock (except casting) or trigger guard.

dave

To me.these umbrella handled pistols are not what I would make. Saw handled types
are to my liking just like the 1911 Colt feels better to me than the Single Action types.
Personal preference.Can anyone post good pictures of the saw handle styles?

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 12:01:38 AM »
I would love to see more info and parts for building dueling pistols.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 02:20:35 AM »
Hi E. Smith,
No one makes the right lock or trigger guard for English dueling pistols.  Perhaps you might have more luck with continental pistols but then there is no good pistol lock.  For barrels, Ed Rayl makes a nice swamped 10" pistol barrel that works for dueling pistols made during 1775-1795 or so.  Later the barrels were heavier and generally just tapered.  I don't know anyone who makes a tapered octagon pistol barrel but you could certainly taper it by hand.  For true historical accuracy, the barrels should be smooth bore.  Ed Rayl's are rifled.  None of the commercial locks are right even the "Bailes" or "Small Manton" lock by L&R. They are all too big and the only small one (Becky's) is too small and not shaped right.  If you don't make your own lock from scratch you have to get cast parts from Dyson, Blackley's, or TRS.  TRS does not really have a good lock without inappropriate cast in engraving so it is Dyson's or Blackleys.  Unfortunately, Blackley's has become as unreliable as TRS lately so thing are even more limited.  The only pistol trigger guards available are all too small and you are very limited with steel ones, which is the only correct material for the guards except for a few rare pistols mounted in silver.   Davis makes a new single set trigger that is pretty close to the original hair triggers used on duelers.  As I previously mentioned, steel is the common material for all the mounts, not brass, or German silver.  Occasionally silver was used.  The mounts should have an almost glassy transparent bluing or be color-cased.  Most pistols had bolted locks (locks with sliding safeties) but not all.  The pair in the British Royal collection upon which I based mine above did not have bolts.  All duelers have hook tangs and breeches (standing breeches as they are properly called) and front and rear sights.  The rear sight is often a wide "U" to facilitate snap shooting because you were not supposed to take deliberate aim.  English walnut stocks are full stocked until the 1790s and then half stocked pistols with a metal rib began to become fashionable.  As the fashion changed in the early 19th century, barrels became heavier with less taper or swamp and often a spur was attached to the trigger guard to help offset the muzzle weight.  Earlier, barrels were swamped octagons and the pistols full stocked, much lighter and better balanced.  I personally do not like the feel of typical English dueling pistols from the 19th century including those made by the great gunsmith, Joe Manton.  In my opinion, no one made better pistols than John Twigg, John Manton, and Robert Wogdon.   

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