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Offline mark brier

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Barrel rifling
« on: September 16, 2017, 05:41:43 PM »
Starting a new project building a Hawken rifle. Started rifling this morning, .62 cal 1-66" twist. A little history on the rifling bench. This rifling machine came out of the J.P. Gemmer shop, restored/referbushed by Ed White many years ago. The bench then went to my grandfather T.K. Dawson and now into my shop. I often wonder just how many barrels this machine has cut. Excuse the cluttered shop.

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Offline Joe S.

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 05:55:58 PM »
Pretty cool,keep us posted on your progress.Always a treat seeing things done this way.

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 06:04:41 PM »
Now thats just cool ;D
Nothing beats the feel of a handmade southern iron mounted flintlock on a cold frosty morning

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 06:09:43 PM »


There is no excuse for a cluttered shop Mark...  ::)

Interesting bench with a long history. Thank you for the pictures and good luck with the barrel rifiling.

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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 06:28:09 PM »
An uncluttered shop may be a mostly inactive  Don't ask me
how I know about this. :D

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 10:32:14 PM »
Very interesting pictures, thanks for posting.  Always have a soft spot for Hawken stuff as like so many that started muzzleloadiing in the 1970's I was a devotee of them. Every day for at least the past 35 years, I have sworn I was going to devote the next day in the shop to cleaning up the clutter. Yep, any day now. Maybe tomorrow.
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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2017, 11:17:45 PM »
Rifled and breeched and ready to fit patent breech. Sorry for the poor picture, that's a tough picture to take. 1-66" twist 7 groove .010" deep
Mark Brier


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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 12:42:27 AM »
 Thank you for the great pics of a historical piece of gun making equipment and also the best photos of a sine bar rifling bench that I have seen. I think that you are fortunate to have this piece of machinery and it is fortunate to have you. It is wonderful that this tool is doing what it was created to do, rather than just collecting dust somewhere.
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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 01:55:55 AM »
I have missed some change at alro

Apparently Mark Brier posted photos, on which others have commented.

Yet the only photo I see on this session is PPatch's

Have noticed the same with some other topics, I cannot see certain photos

What did I miss??????

Offline Joe Stein

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2017, 02:22:20 AM »
J.C. Kelly, check your anti-virus software settings.  I have been using Malwarebytes and a fer weeks ago I updated it and it reset something (I forgot what setting it was) and would not let anything from the new picture site load.  maybe whatever you are using is doing something similar.

Offline John SMOthermon

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2017, 02:28:19 AM »
I have missed some change at alro

Apparently Mark Brier posted photos, on which others have commented.

Yet the only photo I see on this session is PPatch's

Have noticed the same with some other topics, I cannot see certain photos

What did I miss??????


Other Guys are expieriencing the same thing .
Smo

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Offline Daryl

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 02:28:34 AM »
Good thread on the rifling machine. I take it that is a sine bar settup.
Here's a cluttered shop.






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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 02:34:21 AM »
Daryl, you still have some space that needs filled on the right ;D

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2017, 02:54:52 AM »
Good thread on the rifling machine. I take it that is a sine bar settup.
Here's a cluttered shop.






how to get url for picture
or your on your way to being a hoarder,at least that's what I'm called when I reach that point,she's all over me long before that ;)

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2017, 08:09:05 AM »
A clear workbench is usually the sign of someone who is not doing anything........(but not always...:)
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Offline runastav

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2017, 12:06:44 PM »
Nice rifling bench! Me cluttered workshop nooo ;)
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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2017, 04:22:48 PM »
Mark, thanks for posting the pictures of the rifling machine. Very interesting.

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2017, 06:17:18 PM »
Where might someone get the blanks to make their own barrels?

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2017, 06:31:15 PM »
Thanks for the pic Daryl.  Now I don't feel so bad about my work bench.   ;)

Offline mark brier

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2017, 06:48:46 PM »
Most of the barrels I have rifled have been Bill Large blanks left over from my granddads shop, or they were wrought iron barrels I forged. This particular barrel blank is a tapered barrel that came from Joe Williams at Oregon barrel company. I will say Joe's barrels cut beautifully. I have rifles a few old Douglas barrel blanks that I had given to me some years back.

Mark Brier

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2017, 07:15:14 PM »
I'd love to see more detailed pictures on how it turns the rifling head. 

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2017, 08:31:57 PM »
The struggle is real. And I just moved the bench and started reorganization, then some things happened:







I'd be willing to cut the grooves and the rest of the finishing work/fitting if I had a bbl "blank" already properly drilled, reamed, and contoured. Once or twice maybe.  Then I'd likely realize why it's so nice to have men doing that work for us and go back to paying them.  ;)
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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2017, 09:29:50 PM »
Very interesting pictures, thanks for posting.  Always have a soft spot for Hawken stuff as like so many that started muzzleloadiing in the 1970's I was a devotee of them. Every day for at least the past 35 years, I have sworn I was going to devote the next day in the shop to cleaning up the clutter. Yep, any day now. Maybe tomorrow.

I have a big contractor's bag nearly full and it must weigh at least 50 pounds.
This is shop clutter,mostly steel chips and shavings.It goes to the alley today
along with the house trash.

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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2017, 09:49:50 PM »
Here is a few pictures of the indexing head. With this I can cut 7 groove 6 groove or 5. The twist rate is adjustable from 1-10" to about 1-84"

Mark Brier




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Re: Barrel rifling
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2017, 09:53:54 PM »
Those Canadian, and Norwegian boys sure know how to make a guy feel better about his mess.
In His grip,

Dane