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Henry Albrecht | William Henry
« on: September 21, 2017, 02:32:17 PM »
Hey everybody,

A new piece I've written on Henry Albrecht & William Henry will appear in the Jacobsburg Historical Society newsletter. The article involves some speculation--and so I am wondering what you think. Are you convinced? Or not?

I think this link should open a PDF with the article:

     http://www.jacobsburghistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/William-Henry-and-Henry-Albrecht.pdf

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Re: Henry Albrecht | William Henry
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2017, 04:09:10 PM »
Excellent article. Makes sense to me.
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Re: Henry Albrecht | William Henry
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2017, 04:33:21 PM »
 :o :o... Great article ... !!! .... never knew the church had that much authority in a man's destiny .......Thanx for posting ... Well Done and Regards ...C C Fiddler ..

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Re: Henry Albrecht | William Henry
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2017, 08:22:55 PM »
Scott, very nice article and I hope you keep it up, you do thoughtful work.  You have done much more research than I ever have, but I long wondered if some gunsmith assistants / coworkers who helped with the woodworking of stocks were occasionally referred to as joiners or turners in locations where guns were made more in a group effort.  Perhaps especially as they were starting out and did not yet have training in metal work and could not yet really call themselves a gunsmith maybe they did other sorts of wood work also?  Was part of gunsmith training to learn the woodwork part first?  I have found at least one case where an 18th century "joiner" lived next to a gunsmith, and where similarly a "turner" lived next to a gunsmith, both in the town of Reading PA in the 18th century.   Similarly some gunsmiths for certain years in Reading called themselves locksmiths.  They may have changed their occupation names based on the specialty they were most involved with at the time or had flexible scope in their occupations? 
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Re: Henry Albrecht | William Henry
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 09:40:36 PM »
Thanks for all the comments.

DaveM, yes, I think you're right: at times in early Bethlehem, for instance, when the gunstocker was busy, the joiner did some of the work. The two trades were closely related. And in Bethlehem, too, the locksmith did some work on repairing rifles--and the gunsmith worked in the locksmith's shop.

In this case, though, the evidence suggests strongly (to me) that the two professions were differentiated: WH begs over and over to be able to "resume" his work as a gunstocker/gunsmith but is not allowed to do so, which shows that he is doing one thing and not the other (rather than, say, doing both and the writers just using one term to describe work in wood both for guns and in homes). Similarly, the writers consistently refer to his apprentices as coming to work as joiners during these years; when he resumes his work as a gunsmith, they refer to his apprentices and workers as gunstockers or gunsmiiths, etc. In the trade-conscious Moravian communities, the terms were understood well. So, while I think in many cases "flexibility" might be a good model or explanation--and I have shown elsewhere that Moravian gunsmiths were always picking up other trades, in large part because there was not enough work for them as gunsmiths--I don't think it works in this case. Henry was forced to spend his time as a joiner and he was training apprentices in that field. The best evidence for this is Henry's own repeated pleas to be released from having to work as a joiner and to be allowed to return to his chosen profession of gunsmith. He didn't feel like he had flexibility!

I've written about Andreas Albrecht (Sr.) and Jacob Dickert, too (very different situations!)

https://www.immigrantentrepreneurship.org/entry.php?rec=263

https://www.immigrantentrepreneurship.org/entry.php?rec=180
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 03:32:42 AM »
These articles are excellent - I scanned over them before, but I just read through the Dickert article in more detail.  The article on Dickert makes me wonder how many of his surviving guns actually include much, if any, of his actual own handwork.  I can see your point about the occupational information, since the Moravian records were kept in such great detail.

Are you planning to research other gun makers?  Was curious if you intend to, and if so, whom.  Thanks for your work, it is thorough and is easy to read.

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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 01:03:39 PM »
I keep thinking I am done with writing about gunsmiths and gunmaking ... and then find myself writing about another. But, right now, I have no plans.

I write a lot about the Henry family (not necessarily their activities as gunsmiths)--and I did write a long piece about William Henry of Lancaster, which, if I did things correctly, you can view here:

   https://www.dropbox.com/s/gfo0kr2958d4bpd/Ambitions%20of%20William%20Henry.pdf?dl=0

Bob Lienemann and I wrote a long article about gunmaking at Christiansbrunn and Bethlehem, but I am not sure whether it is appropriate to post that one here. When it first came out, we encouraged interested folks to purchase a copy of the journal in which it appears by contacting Kelly Givens at the Moravian Archives Bethlehem at (610 866 3255) or email her at kelly@moravianchurcharchives.org
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 06:57:15 AM »
Ah, I leave town for a few days and I see that my good friend Scott Gordon has posted his argument that young Henry Albrecht was sent to learn the joiner’s trade with Wm. Henry, Jr. – to learn fine woodworking rather than gunstocking!  We have argued this point over several years, and now Scott is using this public forum for the knockout blow.  Show me a fine bookcase or window sash with WH and HA makers’ marks! 

As Dave M suggests, we need to study the old records with care and an open mind.  The stockers were part of the woodworkers’ guilds in the old countries, along with joiners and instrument makers who used the same tools and techniques.  The Locksmith & Gunstocker’s shop at Bethlehem ordered a set of joiner’s tools shortly after Albrecht arrived – presumably for gunstocking work, and I’ve seen Albrecht referred to as a cooper later in life at Lititz.  But I agree that the Moravian records were usually taken down by men who knew the details and got them right. 

These guys are our heroes, and we go into an argument with certain expectations!  I had suggested to Scott that since Henry Albrecht probably worked with his Dad, then was sent to Wm. Henry, Jr who his father trained as a gunstocker, since Wm. Henry, Jr. wanted to return to gunstocking, and since H Albrecht left Henry to go directly to J Dickert, it seemed possible – likely even that WH, Jr. taught him something of the gunstocking trade – whether he told the town Elders or not.  It was common to send a seasoned apprentice on their Wanderjahre or “wandering year” for a bit of different exposure.  Scott knew which trade Henry was practicing when H Albrecht arrived, and argued for the joiner trade.  I was relieved in checking one Nazareth record that did not give an exact trade.  But Scott has continued his tenacious research to include additional Lititz and Nazareth records, and I admit that his argument is formidable.  I need to wander the village and look for examples of their joinery output.  Maybe further study of related trades, store records, home construction or orders for such work will mention their names?

I do find solace in several points.  However busy or idle, successful or frustrated, Andreas Albrecht somehow built enough fine rifles and/or taught and influenced others to do so that he set a basis for artwork on rifles over a very large area and for many years.  Somehow Dickert and others’ work look like they apprenticed to him, when they did not.  In that time before digital cameras and the Internet, Andreas and his old world skills spread far and wide, and here we are talking about him today.  That his first long term apprentice Christian Oerter became such a creative force in just a few years is remarkable.  Then AA taught young Wm. Henry the gunstocking trade, who like his father had many other talents, but who returned with his sons and grandsons to gunmaking on a very large scale - warms my heart a little.  Whatever H Albrecht learned with Henry, he left for Dickert, a wife and family, and a lifetime of stocking very fine rifles which we admire today. 

Scott began his article with the connections between the two families.  My interests in gunstocking began with the Rocky Mountain fur trade – noting rifles by T J Albright of St. Louis and by J Henry of Boulton.  I eventually learned of their fathers Henry Albrecht / Albright of Ohio and PA, and JJ Henry and his father Wm. Henry, Jr, and even earlier to Andreas from the old country, and Wm. Henry who apprenticed to another old world German gunsmith.  That the two families continued their connections and support as the young country expanded is another story.  Scott also shows how certain communities directed many details of trade and life.  Beginning around the Revolution, many young men began to chafe against that control and desired “American freedom”, were not happy with the Helpmates or spouses chosen by the Lot, and like Henry Albrecht, some left the closed communities.   

Lately I feel like a Daruma Doll – Scott keeps knocking down my idols, and I have to find some way to bounce back.  But the real story is often better, richer than the one we started with, so keep that good work coming! 

I agree that folks should spend the $12 for a copy of the Journal article if interested, as this supports making these wonderful Archive materials available for further study, and allows for interesting arguments such as this one.  Without these records, we could not tell the stories.  Bob

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Re: Henry Albrecht | William Henry
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 01:06:38 PM »
But the real story is often better, richer than the one we started with...

Agreed!

As Dave M suggests, we need to study the old records with care and an open mind.

Agreed! That's of course what led to the new article--a mind open to new ideas based on where new evidence led...

I was relieved in checking one Nazareth record that did not give an exact trade [for Henry Albrecht once he moved to Nazareth]. 

Ah. Yes, exactly. This offers primary evidence for one point in the article. Why "relieved"? Sounds like a mind eager to find a particular result--and not eager to look further when something seems to happily confirm that desired result...

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2017, 04:03:15 PM »
Where else can you get a thread like this? What a site!
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 01:56:18 AM »
Wm. Henry was a justice of the peace, wasn't he?  When I was going through NH Co microfilm a number of years ago, I know I noted him acting as some kind of justice in regard to property transactions ca. 1790-ish and I know there are a few with Henry Albrecht indicated as a witness.  Nothing particularly interesting or anything, I was simply looking for 'names' and trades at that point.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2017, 02:07:31 AM »
Yes, not just a justice of the peace but also a judge on the Northampton County court of common pleas and quarter sessions. Henry Albrecht witnessed several things during these years--which of course confirms that he working for Henry but not what trade the two men were engaged in. (William Henry was the reluctant town joiner, as I show in that article linked far above, and Henry Albrecht was working under him as a joiner.)

William Henry was also for decades a member of the committee in Nazareth that oversaw relations of the community with the world outside--and so he handled most issues for the community when it was (or its members were) involved in lawsuits (regarding estates, new road projects, etc.). These occupied a large part of his time.

Although he was one of the prominent leaders of the Nazareth community, his relations with Nazareth authorities got very tense by 1805--and were, basically, ruined by 1815--because of constant interference in his business and with his children's activities. The flashpoint centered on whether he had deliberately flouted community rules by establishing a "store" for his gunshop workmen that violated the community non-competition rules. He came to think of the Naz authorities as "tyrants" and, several years before he died, left the community for Philadelphia where his son, J. Joseph (the one who had studied briefly under Henry Albrecht), had a gun business.
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Re: Henry Albrecht | William Henry
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 02:01:21 PM »
Here's the man himself, not exactly my idol but somebody that it's been very interesting to study. William Henry of Nazareth: gunsmith, joiner, architect, judge.







« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 03:24:55 PM by spgordon »
Check out: The Lost Village of Christian's Spring
https://christiansbrunn.web.lehigh.edu/
And: The Earliest Moravian Work in the Mid-Atlantic: A Guide
https://www.moravianhistory.org/product-page/moravian-activity-in-the-mid-atlantic-guidebook