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Online Bigmon

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Maybe an old horn?
« on: October 13, 2017, 04:20:38 PM »
Another old horn (maybe)??
Here is a horn I picked up at a gun show a couple years back, only because it is pretty white.
At the time I had no idea it might be an old horn, I just bought it in case I wanted to try and do some scrimshaw work. Plus with three Sons as well as Grandchildren it never hurts to have an extra horn laying around her along with the dozen or so others.
Anyway, later at home I noticed the initials "D.D. as well as the 1852 Date"
I stopped all thought of messing with it until I confirm its aithenticity.
The fact that the letters and numerals appear stamped has caused me to have some doubts.
Although by that date there were stamps being made I would suppose being pretty common??
The horn and plug look old enough.  Again the knob maybe not so new?
But maybe added??
Yet I have heard there were professional horn makers and that knob would not be so hard to mass produce.
But then the basic plug is soooo crude.
Again, we will never know for sure.
Your opinions are very welcome.
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Offline Kary

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2017, 09:18:25 PM »
My opinion would be that its recent..The body of the horn has no patina and the pouring end of the horn doesn't look right for the year.Stamping is easily done during the building process of the horn base....I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time...the horn is still a nice looking one. I'd reshape the pouring end and use as is.

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2017, 10:23:31 PM »
My opinion would be that its recent..The body of the horn has no patina and the pouring end of the horn doesn't look right for the year.Stamping is easily done during the building process of the horn base....I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time...the horn is still a nice looking one. I'd reshape the pouring end and use as is.
I agree - nowhere near 1852. That baseplug is poorly fit...

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2017, 07:16:05 PM »
That is just as I bought it at a gun show.
I didnt think it old but when I saw that date I thought I'd think it over.
Perhaps some fool scrapped of any patina.
No way of knowing.
Thanks for the comments

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2017, 01:31:49 AM »
Well old or not, I like it...id reshape the pouring end and slim it down some... Make sure base plug is air tight and enjoy...one other thing, I don't see where the base plug is pinned....might be due to the pictures...

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 03:59:51 PM »
Well there ya have it!!  Why didn't I think of that?
I have it here in my hand and see no indication of pins, pegs, nails or any other mechanical device securing that plug in place.
I would think that a sure sign of glue??  And there for, not an old horn?
Agree??
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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 04:12:38 PM »
I'd bet you'll find epoxy holding the plug in place...

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2017, 06:09:25 PM »
  ;) agree ...

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 04:38:13 AM »
Replace the plug, shape and dye the neck dark and do a little work - could be a nice horn. As it is now, it is quite plain and needs work. Or add a few pins and leave it as is. Your call...

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 05:30:37 AM »
FWIW    There are a lot of old, original horns that do not have the plug pinned in place. Check in Powder Horns, Documents of History.

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 05:35:16 AM »
What keeps the plug in place?

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 02:58:47 PM »
What keeps the plug in place?

  Glue. TC

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2017, 03:51:38 PM »
What keeps the plug in place?

  Glue. TC
I can't think of a period glue/adhesive that would bind well to horn or be resistant to the action of moisture...

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 01:15:47 AM »
 I think you would be surprised at how strong hide glue is. Also think of what it is made of and it is applied hot.

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Re: Maybe an old horn?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 01:57:41 AM »
Having made and used Hide Glue for bows, I am aware of its strength. However, I can see it as a possibility in holding a base plug.
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