Cole want a rfle made

[jerrywh]

 
   Since I do not make long guns anymore I;m passing this  on.  Cole is looking for someone to make him a rifle
Hey
good afternoon over here in Houston, Texas! I asked who
would be the best person to talk to about having a black
powder flintlock rifle made and I was pointed in your
direction by a fellow. I can't remember who his name
was. My name is Cole Griffin, I'm 20 years old and work
on a towboat for 20 days at a time. I'm saving up some
money to have a simple yet elegant flintlock built for me.
I've seen some pics of your creations and I have to say
that i am truly Impressed by your work! I was wondering if I
could get you to price me one? I'd like mine to have a
English walnut stock or curly maple, a rectangular patchbox
that when a button is pushed, it opens up from the top and
falls down open. The barrel I'd like to be octagonal. I
saw one of your hunting rifles that you made and took a deer
in 2007 that had 2 forward sight blades I found rather
Interesting. Id like mine in a .50 caliber, 40-42 inch
barrel, 1 - 60 twist, double set triggers, I also really
admire the lock on the said hunting rifle. Could you tell me
more about that hunting rifle? I'm pretty new to all of
this so I'm still trying to understand a whole lot of
stuff about these rifles. If you could shoot me an email
back at ____________@yahoo.com i would ever so appreciate
it at your earliest convenience.
Warmest regards,
Cole




I have removed Mr. Griffin's email address.  I you wish to contact Mr. Griffin, contact Jerrywh.
-Ron
ALR Moderator

   

[Mike Brooks]

Aw, just go ahead and build him one Jerry.

[Justin Urbantas]

this sounds like an odd rifle. It has 2 front sight blades and a patchbox that opens the opposite way of every other patchbox?  I'd be curious to see this

[jerrywh]

 This guy is new and I don't think he knows how to explain just what he wants.  I wouldn't make fun of him. He just needs some help. 
Think back when you started. 

[Lucky R A]

        Sounds like about I/3 of my customers.  They have seen and admired longrifles their entire life and when it comes time to get one they ask for a Kentucky/Pennsylvania rifle....which is about like saying "I want to buy a car."   It is the job of the builder to educate the client and try to dig our of his mind's eye  exactly what he wants.   Having a good library handy to allow the client to look through is helpful when they can get into the shop.  Sometimes it takes a lot of questions and then following up with examples of what you think the client wants.   It is sometimes frustrating, but if you persevere you will likely end up building a very good relationship with the client and very likely a repeat customer....Ron

[Dennis Glazener]

This guy is new and I don't think he knows how to explain just what he wants.  I wouldn't make fun of him. He just needs some help. 
Think back when you started.

Thanks Jerry,
You are 100% correct. They aren't necessarily dumb just not familiar with terminology and often are very eager to learn.
Dennis

[Tim Crosby]

        Sounds like about I/3 of my customers.  They have seen and admired longrifles their entire life and when it comes time to get one they ask for a Kentucky/Pennsylvania rifle....which is about like saying "I want to buy a car."   It is the job of the builder to educate the client and try to dig our of his mind's eye  exactly what he wants.   Having a good library handy to allow the client to look through is helpful when they can get into the shop.  Sometimes it takes a lot of questions and then following up with examples of what you think the client wants.   It is sometimes frustrating, but if you persevere you will likely end up building a very good relationship with the client and very likely a repeat customer....Ron

 Good post Ron.

   Tim

[Justin Urbantas]

This guy is new and I don't think he knows how to explain just what he wants.  I wouldn't make fun of him. He just needs some help. 
Think back when you started.

I wasn't making fun. I was genuinely curious. I guess maybe he meant a double leaf rear sight? I could see a patchbox opening the other way.

[Eric Kettenburg]

Hey Jerry - With all due respect, I would yank this guys contact info out of the posting and have any interested folks here contact you via PM or directly for his contact info.  Posting email address or phone number in a public forum is setting him up for a deluge of spam!

[lostinthewoods]

sad................this is why I've left the forum before.............

[Ray Settanta]

...........a patchbox that opens the opposite way of every other patchbox?  I'd be curious to see this

He could be referring to a Bucks County style patchbox perhaps with the hinge all along the bottom edge. That would open at the top parallel wtih the comb and drop down.

[Mike Brooks]

sad................this is why I've left the forum before.............

I'm curious as to what you find so offensive?

[Elnathan]

Pretty sure that he wants a patchbox with the hinge along the bottom. In regard to the front sight, might he be thinking of a front sight with an insert? If so, I might even remember the one he is thinking of, though I can't confirm that it was Jerry who made it.

I agree that you should edit out the contact info from your post.

[54ball]

 This young man is new to Longrifles and has tried to describe some features he likes. Honestly I think he would be happy with a really good basic rifle, especially when he learns how much a good longrifle costs.......about the same as 3 top of the line bolt actions....

 Since this is the ALR, I don't think this was posted to make fun of his request but it could be interpreted that way. Sadly that would be the case on other on line places.

 This young man is a youth and I think the best case as far as the ALR is concerned, is to invite him here and let him learn and speak for himself. Personally I think his private correspondence should not be posted for the world to see.

 One last thought.....this young man has done everything right. He has approached the builder. Personally I think it's poor business for a builder to contact the potential customer.

I don't think it's right.  I just don't.

[Daryl]

54Ball- good points. I-too think he should be invited here for a while, where he can see lots of rifles and learn the nomenclature.

He would thus be better able to express himself.

[jerrywh]

 Eric. Good point. I just deleted the Email address. anybody interested in building a gun for him can contact me.

[David Rase]

I agree that Cole is looking for a patchbox with the hinge on the bottom.  I also think Cole is talking about a folding leaf rear sight.
David

[Joe S.]

I second what Daryl said,bring him aboard.He will have a lot to look at and read about.What better advertisement in seeing someones work as well as styles.

[oldtravler61]

  Curious but could the fellow be asking for a single blade sight. But with a double base. Like what Hershel does on some of his Woodbury style rifles? Just a thought. Oldtravler

[Elnathan]

  Curious but could the fellow be asking for a single blade sight. But with a double base. Like what Hershel does on some of his Woodbury style rifles? Just a thought. Oldtravler

That was also my first thought, but then I remembered that other sight which, without the bone filling between the two pieces of brass, did look very much like what he is describing.

Apart from the front sight, it sounds like he wants a fairly standard longrifle with a side-opening box. Hope that he gets it in due time.

[Shreckmeister]

this sounds like an odd rifle. It has 2 front sight blades and a patchbox that opens the opposite way of every other patchbox?  I'd be curious to see this

Well here are your opposite opening boxes

[Mike Brooks]

  Curious but could the fellow be asking for a single blade sight. But with a double base. Like what Hershel does on some of his Woodbury style rifles? Just a thought. Oldtravler

That's a NC detail.

[oldtravler61]

 That is right Mike. But my impression is he likes a couple things from different schools of longrifles.
  Someone should contact him an really see what he wants. Then build it.
 If your a gun builder by progression. Here's a willing client. Oldtravler

[Mike Brooks]

That is right Mike. But my impression is he likes a couple things from different schools of longrifles.
  Someone should contact him an really see what he wants. Then build it.
 If your a gun builder by progression. Here's a willing client. Oldtravler

Thanks, but I'm no longer seeking commissions. I'm sure somebody here has contacted him by now. I'm guessing he has sticker shock as well. Many potential new buyers are shocked at what these guns cost.