Author Topic: The Salem School - Program and Future Book (Read 12254 times)

Marcruger · « **Reply #25 on:** January 11, 2018, 05:01:05 AM »

Thank you Michael. For a silversmith, John sure could build a rifle! I have wondered if some of the work on John Vogler's rifles was done by others in the extended family, though obviously the metalwork would have been his forte.

That side opening box is nifty, and I appreciate the photos. Not the "normal" finial either. I am wondering how that sideplate button patchbox mechanism works. I cannot visualize the standard Vogler release working in that location.

Look forward to seeing you again in March. God Bless, Marc

wildcatter · « **Reply #26 on:** January 11, 2018, 05:46:23 AM »

I look forward to both books Michael! Thanks for sharing, your willingness to help educate doesn't go unnoticed!

Matt

mbriggs · « **Reply #27 on:** January 11, 2018, 08:31:15 AM »

John Vogler trained to be a gun smith under his uncle several years before he went to Pennsylvania to train as a silversmith. He was in my opinion the most talented man in Salem.

Michael

mbriggs · « **Reply #28 on:** January 11, 2018, 04:03:50 PM »

"The seed of the woman, hath bruised the serpents head." By Nathaniel Vogler.

wildcatter · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2018, 07:09:18 PM »

Man, look at the triggers on that rifle!! Can't imagine the hours of detail that went into those!!

Marcruger · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2018, 09:56:55 PM »

Welcome to Piedmont NC rifles. 🙂

OldSouthRelics · « **Reply #31 on:** January 12, 2018, 04:50:52 PM »

Quote from: mbriggs on January 11, 2018, 04:03:50 PM

"The seed of the woman, hath
bruised the serpents head." By Nathaniel Vogler.

Thank you for sharing this picture. The engraved quote on the serpent is just incredible.

Marcruger · « **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2018, 12:47:05 AM »

Hi Michael,

I hope we get a good turnout. I have talked to two other ALR members who may attend, neither from close by.

Looking forward to it. God Bless, Marc

mbriggs · « **Reply #33 on:** January 15, 2018, 11:03:21 PM »

Bob,
The serpent quote is based on Genesis 3:15. I believe the Nathaniel Vogler rifle was engraved by his cousin John Vogler, the outstanding gun smith and silver-smith in Salem.

Here are some Eagle back spoons he made.

OldSouthRelics · « **Reply #34 on:** January 16, 2018, 03:15:44 AM »

Michael,

Just incredible. Thank you for sharing the pictures of the spoons, and displaying an example of the outstanding craftsmanship of Nathniel's Cousin, John Volger. Are those spoons on display in MESDA?

Regards,

Bob

mbriggs · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2018, 05:16:03 AM »

Bob,
Those five John Vogler eagle back spoons are part of my Piedmont North Carolina decorative arts collection.

MESDA has a new Moravian decorative arts display open currently. It features furniture, art, Longrifles, silver by John Vogler, and pottery. You should try to see it while it is open.

John Vogler' s house is open for touring in Old Salem. You can see a lot of his silver there too.

Are you coming March 10th?

Michael

OldSouthRelics · « **Reply #36 on:** January 16, 2018, 05:49:19 AM »

Michael,

Ah, excellent, it is good to know that they are in great hands.

Yes sir, I'm planning on coming March 10th. It's been a few years since I've made it up to MESDA, I'm overdue for a visit. The last time I visited MESDA, several years ago now, Blake was kind enough to give me a tour and show me some of the long rifles that were in storage at that point. It was exceptionally generous of Blake, he is a Salt Of The Earth kind of guy.

I'm looking forward to the event.

Bob

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #37 on:** January 16, 2018, 05:00:16 PM »

Never thought I'd be looking at spoons here, but they're pretty cool!

mbriggs · « **Reply #38 on:** January 16, 2018, 06:32:07 PM »

There is a reason both the Vogler rifles and spoons feature Eagles. We plan to reveal it in the book. Here is a Christoph Vogler Eagle.

Michael

Marcruger · « **Reply #39 on:** January 17, 2018, 03:22:30 PM »

I look forward to hearing the "Eagle" explanation. :-)

mbriggs · « **Reply #40 on:** January 19, 2018, 10:08:59 PM »

George Vogler Eagle Patchbox. He was born in Friedland in 1789. He trained to be a gun smith with his uncle Christoph Vogler in Salem in 1806. He married the daughter of Rowan gun smith Henry Bruner, II [Mary] in 1815 and moved to Salisbury. He made Salem School rifles in Rowan County for many years along with furniture and carved tombstones.

spgordon · « **Reply #41 on:** January 20, 2018, 12:07:57 AM »

Mike, I should have asked this earlier: do you know if any daybooks, or inventories, or customer lists, for the Salem gunshop for the eighteenth or early nineteenth centuries survive in the Moravian Archives, Southern Province? Are there documents that would enable us to get a sense of the sorts of work these gunmakers were undertaking (repair v. new rifles), the size of their production, and the range of their customers?

mbriggs · « **Reply #42 on:** January 20, 2018, 04:53:40 AM »

Scott,
I will discuss this with Blake and get back to you with an answer.

Michael

mbriggs · « **Reply #43 on:** January 29, 2018, 08:23:07 PM »

This rifle by George Vogler has an Eagle side-plate. The boys rifle made by his brother John Vogler for his son Elias features a similar Eagle side-plate.

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Michael

Marcruger · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2018, 01:36:48 AM »

Just a reminder that this gathering is coming up on the 10th. It would be great to see a big ALR turnout. My bride and I already have rooms booked.

I am looking forward to it Michael and Blake.

God Bless, Marc

mbriggs · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2018, 09:56:37 PM »

Salem School Eagle Patchbox - Maker???

mbriggs · « **Reply #46 on:** March 01, 2018, 08:18:38 PM »

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George Reavis Salem School Eagle Patchbox.

Marcruger · « **Reply #47 on:** March 03, 2018, 09:37:54 PM »

A week away gents. At least three of the ALR members are going to be there.

Blake at work on a Vogler patchbox release.

The Vogler shop (original) just down the street from where we are meeting.

God Bless, Marc

mbriggs · « **Reply #48 on:** March 08, 2018, 08:13:45 PM »

The program is this Saturday, March 10th, and starts at 10 A.M. Please come if you are available. Bring something pretty with you.

Jamestown Eagle Patchbox by Jabez Stephens influenced by the Voglers.

OldSouthRelics · « **Reply #49 on:** March 10, 2018, 03:32:59 PM »

I'm not going to make it today, I've been sick all week. I don't wish this on anyone and certainly don't wish to give it to anyone.

Best of luck to Michael and Blake today. I hope some new rifles, accouterments, and/or documents surface today to aid the book. Safe travels for any ALR members on the road.

Best Regards,

Bob

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