Author Topic: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale  (Read 4209 times)

Offline David Rase

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4320
  • If we need it here, make it here. Charlie Daniels
Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« on: January 14, 2018, 09:45:48 PM »
If Dennis bails, I am interested.  I am sure Dennis has the same thought as I do, that lock would look great on a Gillespie bear pistol. 
David

Offline Justin Urbantas

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1396
Re: J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2018, 09:59:33 PM »
If Dennis bails, I am interested.  I am sure Dennis has the same thought as I do, that lock would look great on a Gillespie bear pistol. 
David
What is a Gillespie bear pistol?

Offline Dennis Glazener

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19487
    • GillespieRifles
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 10:44:20 PM »
David,
You are correct. I have a piece of maple roughed out and have inlet a 15" Ed Rayl barrel and have a modified late Ketland lock that just doesn't suit me. Sam Everly replaced the original Ketland cock with a double throated lock like the Goulcher has but its out of proportion to the Frizzen so I just laid the project aside, kept putting it off. As soon as I saw this lock I knew it was right for the project!
Dennis
If Dennis bails, I am interested.  I am sure Dennis has the same thought as I do, that lock would look great on a Gillespie bear pistol. 
David
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend" - Thomas Jefferson

Offline Dennis Glazener

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19487
    • GillespieRifles
Re: J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 10:52:44 PM »
If Dennis bails, I am interested.  I am sure Dennis has the same thought as I do, that lock would look great on a Gillespie bear pistol. 
David
What is a Gillespie bear pistol?


Justin,
My Great Uncle Mathew Gillespie was a gun maker as well as being a big bear hunter. He made himself a 15" barreled Bear Pistol and an across the chest holster to carry it in. I always thought it pretty neat that when he made the pistol, 1849, which was WELL into the percussion age, as well as him being a gun maker, could have used a percussion lock yet he chose to use a Goulcher flintlock. It shows how much he trusted a flintlock to wade in after a bear with a single shot flintlock pistol. But he did elect to use a larger bore than he usually used on his rifles (40-46 caliber).

Here are some photos of the original Bear Pistol:








« Last Edit: January 14, 2018, 10:56:18 PM by Dennis Glazener »
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend" - Thomas Jefferson

Offline Justin Urbantas

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1396
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2018, 12:14:51 AM »
That's pretty neat. What caliber is it?  I would think that a shorter 8-10" would be handier when getting up close and personal with a bear. Maybe a big knife in one hand and a pistol in the other. I assume we are talking black bears, not griz?

Offline Dennis Glazener

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19487
    • GillespieRifles
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 12:36:54 AM »
Sorry, left it out. It's a 54 cal
Dennis
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend" - Thomas Jefferson

Offline flinchrocket

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1750
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2018, 02:19:30 AM »
And a double set trigger to boot. That's a nice looking bear gun Dennis. I like the way the grip lays back a little so it won't slip in your hand.

ddoyle

  • Guest
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 02:26:52 AM »
My guess is the holster was because they were running bears with dogs? Shots would likely have been pretty liesurely  at a treed bear and 15 inches would mean the ball hit where the hunter wanted it to.  Black bears are deadly when they hunt you- as soon as you are hunting them it gets pretty safe. Do not think I have ever heard of a hunter being hurt by a black bear during a hunt for black bear?  Even predatory bears are very very likely to give you tons of time to align those sights. Only trouble with a 15 inch barrel  and really serious dangerous bear is that you will get tired aiming it at the bear while he stands dopely looking over his shoulder at you 10 yards away or while he walks in your footsteps for an afternoon coming in and out of sight every few minutes.

Offline mountainman70

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2465
  • USAF vet 1971-1972 malmstrom afb,montana
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 02:44:35 AM »
Nice lock. We need for someone in the lock making business to reproduce these  locks, as they are most useful in SMR builds, and other projects.
Thanks, Dave 8) 8)

Offline David Rase

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4320
  • If we need it here, make it here. Charlie Daniels
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2018, 05:23:33 PM »
Here is a photo of my modified Chambers Late Ketland lock.  I ordered a double throated KETLAND cock, more like 4 of them, from Jerry Devaudreuil in Wooster,Ohio.  The top jaw is for the MASLIN flintlock.  Other than welding the square hole up and retiming the cock, it was a perfect match as far as the throw went.
David



Offline Dennis Glazener

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19487
    • GillespieRifles
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 08:48:09 PM »
Mine came from Dixie Gun Works and is too short to go with the late Ketland frizzen.
Dennis
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend" - Thomas Jefferson

n stephenson

  • Guest
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2018, 09:43:10 PM »
Dennis, is the muzzle cap pewter or GS ? What about the sideplate ? The TG is iron correct? Are the inlays silver? I ask because I can`t really tell from the pics. That is super cool and, to have been built by your family is that much nicer . Thanks for showing it. Nate

Offline Dennis Glazener

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 19487
    • GillespieRifles
Re: Regarding J Golcher flintlock for sale
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2018, 07:23:56 PM »
Sorry, I saw this but was on tablet without access to photos, couldn't remember for sure then forgot to check when I was on desktop PC.

Just looked and all hardware except the trigger guard are brass, no GS at all. The trigger guard is iron. I believe both the set triggers and the TG are the same as he used on his rifles but modified to use on the pistol. I made that note when I handled the original several years ago.
Dennis
"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend" - Thomas Jefferson