Author Topic: forestock molding scraper gizzy? (Read 12242 times)

rich pierce · « **on:** May 13, 2009, 08:51:12 PM »

Can't find it but I am sure it's been posted here somewhere. Basically a tool that holds a molding shaped scraper and runs in the ramrod groove I think. Can anybody show me one of these?

Stophel · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2009, 09:24:41 PM »

Basically it's a wooden square with a shaped blade slipped in the center. Ride it along the bottom edge of the stock (ramrod groove side).

I've never gotten around to making one. Virtually every gun I do is different, and I carve the moulding different every time, so I don't think it would be worthwhile for me, unless I were doing like they were 200 years ago, when they made gun after gun after gun pretty much the same.

Jim Kibler · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2009, 09:55:52 PM »

If you look in one of the JHAT books there is an article on one. I made mine pretty much the same. It rides on the top of the barrel channel. It really is a fantastic tool and I wouldn't want to cut a forestock molding any other way. The blade can be adjusted to accomodate different forestock shapes etc. I use it to basically relieve and sometimes shape the molding. It really doesn't shape the forestock much. I've used it primarily to cut just a simple relief molding however I've also used it for a beaded and fluted molding as well. In this case I found it easiest to cut the relief first, then cut the flute and finally cut an incised groove to form the bead. Sounds more complicated than it actually was. I may be wrong, but I think a picture was taken of me using the tool at the Log Cabin Trade Fair last year. Think it may be in the archives.

davec2 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2009, 10:02:47 PM »

Rich,

Old board posts with pictures (not the one Jim was talking about, but Jim participated in this older post exchange):

http://americanlongrifles.org/old_board/index.php?topic=9943.0

rich pierce · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2009, 10:38:07 PM »

thanks you guys.

Stophel · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2009, 11:03:48 PM »

My fore ends are often not exactly parallel top and bottom (tapered slightly towards the front...depending upon the barrel used), so I would need something that indexed off of the bottom, rather than the top.

Tim Crosby · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2009, 12:11:18 AM »

So Dave, how DID you terminate that moulding?

Tim C.

PS: Thanks for reminding me of the archives and the wealth of info that is there.TC

Don Getz · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2009, 02:51:27 AM »

Jim Kibler is one of my favorite gun builders, but, I have to question his moulding scraper method. If you follow the barrel
channel on a swamped barrel it will give you a "screwy" moulding. The ramrod groove is straight, and does not follow
the profile of the barrel, the moulding along it is also straight. How can you achieve this following the profile of the barrel? It will work fine with a straight barrel, but........................Don

Dphariss · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2009, 04:21:47 AM »

I made one as per the JHAT article. It runs on the top of the stock and will final shape the forend with what ever moulding is put into the scraper.
The scraper needs to be shaped slightly different than the actual stock will be since the scraper is tipped to do the cut.
I like it. My neighbor has is right now.

Dan

chris laubach · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2009, 06:10:32 AM »

Rich,
Not sure if this is the one you are looking for but this is one I made many years ago.
Works Great!

Chris Laubach

rich pierce · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2009, 06:57:49 AM »

Thanks Chris, that looks like something I can make. Maybe not as pretty!

Jim Kibler · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2009, 07:29:38 AM »

Quote from: Don Getz on May 14, 2009, 02:51:27 AM

Jim Kibler is one of my favorite gun builders, but, I have to question his moulding scraper method. If you follow the barrel
channel on a swamped barrel it will give you a "screwy" moulding. The ramrod groove is straight, and does not follow
the profile of the barrel, the moulding along it is also straight. How can you achieve this following the profile of the barrel? It will work fine with a straight barrel, but........................Don

Hey Don. Maybe I should take a picture and post it. It's basically an "L" shaped piece of wood with a slot cut in it for a scraper blade. The blade is held in place by clamping the wood on it with a couple of screws. One leg of the wood just rides on the top of the forestock. It doesn't follow the barrel channel inlet. Maybe I wasn't too clear. How much wood that is removed is basically just controlled by eye. Chris is right in the fact that this set-up will only work well if the bottom of the forestock is parallel to the top. Hope this makes sense.

lew wetzel · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2009, 03:12:13 PM »

jim,i think this is a pic of you doing some moulding work....

Don Getz · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2009, 03:28:49 PM »

Jim....yes, I follow you now. You would have to do this before you feathered the edge of the stock out along the barrel,
I suppose. Looking at Lew's picture, I work a lot like you do, have also bitten my tongue. Eric Fleisher and I are planning a trip out to visit you guys some weekend......will check out your schedule this summer. I'm working on a new
Beck stock pattern, plan to deliver it to Weader today, will have an octagon to round barrel inlet. Can't wait to do a neat
Beck barn gun.......Don

Stophel · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2009, 07:32:52 PM »

I like that one, Chris. Looks like it would be much easier to use than the square-type. Wouldn't have to worry about holding it just so, and having it wobble around.

Nate McKenzie · « **Reply #15 on:** May 14, 2009, 08:55:41 PM »

Here is one I made up. Crude but effective. You can make any shape scraper for in it. I make them from old saw blades.

Tim Crosby · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2009, 12:36:52 AM »

I knew I had a name of a place that sells scrapers, at least they did. Don't know who they are or if they still do but I dug this info out:

Loyalhaanna Muzzleloaders
194 Sawmill Rd.
Saltsburg, Pa. 15681
724-668-8077

Tim C.

tuffy · « **Reply #17 on:** May 17, 2009, 12:37:10 AM »

Found this at Dixie Gun Works.....
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14087&osCsid=2c5d651d448a0171442df072c5a3f9bd

cheyenne · « **Reply #18 on:** May 18, 2009, 05:41:55 PM »

Newbie question, but when you use a gizzy such as these, how do you finish the molding at the muzzle end of the RR groove? I've seen photo's of the molding, but not the end.

omark · « **Reply #19 on:** May 18, 2009, 06:50:54 PM »

gizzy (or gizzie) = professional gunbuilders term. noun

mark

Ky-Flinter · « **Reply #20 on:** May 19, 2009, 05:33:50 AM »

Quote from: tuffy on May 17, 2009, 12:37:10 AM

Found this at Dixie Gun Works.....
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14087&osCsid=2c5d651d448a0171442df072c5a3f9bd

95 bucks!?!?!? Must be a nice one!

I made a similar one out of scrap.....

And here's how I finished off the front end of the moulding...

-Ron

tuffy · « **Reply #21 on:** May 19, 2009, 07:29:46 AM »

Quote from: KyFlinter on May 19, 2009, 05:33:50 AM

95 bucks!?!?!? Must be a nice one!

I made a similar one out of scrap.....

Just by looking at the photos I can tell what all that extra money is going for ......... Your model only has one bolt and wing nut while their model has two. They probably get their hardware from the aircraft industry.

54ball · « **Reply #22 on:** May 19, 2009, 09:15:07 AM »

This scraper tool has been referred too as a "scratch stock" or "stock scratch". You should be able to find more info under these terms in the archives and the forum search.

brokenflint · « **Reply #23 on:** May 19, 2009, 04:32:46 PM »

You can find more information on how to make stock scratch jig in "Journal of Historical Armsmaking Technology" Volume II, page 85. Printed by the NMLRA

cheyenne · « **Reply #24 on:** May 19, 2009, 09:27:30 PM »

Any idea where I could find this issue? Went to the NMLRA site, but didn't find this issue listed.

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Author Topic: forestock molding scraper gizzy? (Read 12242 times)

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