Author Topic: Pistol barrel contour (Read 3267 times)

sydney · « **on:** February 14, 2018, 10:25:18 PM »

Hi--need ideas for the contour of a barrel to suit English style flintlock pistol
This is my first layout

50 cal
Barrel is 12 long
7/8across flats for 4 in
Barrel bands then step to .800 dia
8 in from bands to muzzle
muzzle dia .750
barrel to be lightly swamped near muzzle
Any ideas

Thanks Sydney

Daryl · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2018, 12:41:11 AM »

Here is one Taylor built, but I do not have measurements for it & it is round. Mine has similar shape to yours, however,
my barrel has much less tapered and less flair as well.

Joe S. · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2018, 12:50:09 AM »

That's some nice work right there,thanks for sharing that Daryl.Taylor sure can build 'em sweet.

sydney · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2018, 02:42:53 AM »

Any ideas on a round contoured barrel
General dimensions??
Sydney

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2018, 03:02:56 AM »

Sydney: I have a book by Johnson about English pistols with dimensions. Come over and have a look...

Taylor

sydney · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2018, 03:36:02 AM »

Hi Taylor--- I will give you a call
Thanks Sydney

Elnathan · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2018, 06:27:22 AM »

Quote from: D. Taylor Sapergia on February 15, 2018, 03:02:56 AM

Sydney: I have a book by Johnson about English pistols with dimensions. Come over and have a look...

Taylor

What book would that be, and does it include barrel dimensions? Inquiring minds want to know...

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2018, 05:27:38 PM »

I think we would need to know what age you want the pistol to represent.
Earlier tend to be longer and slimmer, and later more blocky and often octagonal.

Hard to give a generic contour that'll work for all.
Many pistols from early to mid 18thC round and swamped to some degree.

All the best,
R.

sydney · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2018, 07:35:53 PM »

Hi-- appox 1750 to 1760
Long slim barrel 12 in
I am now leaning to round swamped profile
Thanks Sydney

smart dog · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2018, 08:03:37 PM »

Hi,
You seem to be describing a holster or horse pistol. I have seen quite a few modern made "English" pistols made with octagon to round barrels. Some, perhaps even most, that I examined had barrels on which the octagon section was mostly straight with almost no taper and then any swamp is in the round part. IMO, those barrels look clunky and awkward. Often they are still very thick at the rear ramrod thimble which makes it impossible to create a slim elegant looking pistol. Ideally, whether O/R or swamped round, you want most (up to 75%) of the taper within 3" of the breech continuing slightly to a point just before the rear ramrod thimble or wedding band and then thin almost straight until just before muzzle, then a very subtle flair at the muzzle. Most horse pistols were larger caliber than 50 and ideally you want one with thin barrel walls.

dave

jerrywh · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2018, 10:39:52 PM »

12 inches long would be a very unusual length for a English pistol. Most of them were about 8 1/2" to 9" long. that is in the Georgian period. I never have seen one with a 12" barrel.

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2018, 11:03:10 PM »

Yes Jerry, I'd put a 12" barrel more at the beginning of the century, but we can never say never or always.... I have got into trouble over that before now!

smart dog · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2018, 01:01:51 AM »

Hi Jerry and Richard,
Richard is bang on. Generally barrels >10" are found on late 17th and early 18th century pistols but there are beauties shown in Neal and Back' s books and Dixon's from the 1740s with 12" barrels. In Dixon's book, there is a H. W. Mortimer pistol from the 1780s with a 13" Kurdish-made barrel. Those long skinny pistols are the most beautiful to my eyes.

dave

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2018, 03:43:26 AM »

The book to which I refer is called, "The English Pistol - A pictorial Study", by Beech and Bingham. I bought my copy from TOW years ago. the spine of the paper covered book let go, and now I have the pages in a three-ringed binder.
On pistols with the longer barrels, from a slightly earlier time, the grip angle is a little straighter . I agree that those early pistols are elegant.

sydney · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2018, 04:01:06 AM »

Hi---If anyone has pictures of long barrel pistols that you could
post or send by email I would appreciate it
Thanks Sydney

Elnathan · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2018, 04:19:02 AM »

Quote from: D. Taylor Sapergia on February 16, 2018, 03:43:26 AM

The book to which I refer is called, "The English Pistol - A pictorial Study", by Beech and Bingham. I bought my copy from TOW years ago. the spine of the paper covered book let go, and now I have the pages in a three-ringed binder.
On pistols with the longer barrels, from a slightly earlier time, the grip angle is a little straighter . I agree that those early pistols are elegant.

Thanks. Does it include such dimensions as breech width, or just barrel lengths? I'm kind of interested in making a pistol someday, but I have no idea what the barrel dimensions should be for either a European horse pistol or a Kentucky pistol. I managed to measure an original Belgian long-barreled pistol with a 1 1/16" breech at the Cumberland show but that is all I've got.

smart dog · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2018, 04:45:12 AM »

Hi,
Sydney, buy the books. If you are a serious builder, do the research and buy the books.

dave

D. Taylor Sapergia · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2018, 05:08:25 AM »

With most of the pictures of pistols is information: barrel length, calibre, dimensions at breech and various places along the length of the barrel depending on it's taper and form. Great book!

sydney · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2018, 06:15:01 AM »

Hi Smart Dog---I am trying to do the research by posting here and talking to Taylor
The books mentioned are very pricy here in Canada
and just out of my price range
Sydney

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Author Topic: Pistol barrel contour (Read 3267 times)