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Offline Justin Urbantas

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Woodbury steel finish
« on: March 26, 2018, 08:12:23 PM »
I am curious what you folks have used to get a Woodbury type steel finish. If you're not familiar it is a rustic, slightly pitted finish. Sort of a steel patina. Like this
http://www.housebrothersproject.com/articles/article4.html

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2018, 08:14:33 PM »
If you get Hershel's DVD from American Pioneer Video he shows the process.  He boils the parts in equal parts Clorox and water.  I have never used the process myself.  I know some are opposed to it and I will let them speak to that.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 08:16:05 PM »
how do you boil a 46" barrel?

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 08:23:09 PM »
In a trough.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 08:32:51 PM »
I start with a clean barrel, and then wipe on a coat of cold blue, all the different brands I’ve used worked about the same. Next, emmerce the plugged barrel in a 50/50 mixture of chlorine bleach, and distilled water. Don’t breath the fumes coming off this concoction, it will turn your light out. When you get the pitting you want, wash the barrel in clear water, and wipe it dry. Next I apply Birchwood Casey’s plum brown around the places patina would naturally accumulate, and hit it with a heat gun to get a good light red brown. When I am satisfied with the colors, I rub them back with an extra fine Scotchbrite pad. Oil, or wax the barrel to stop any further oxidation. Sometimes you have to give the barrel a baking soda and water bath to stop all the chemicals.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 08:49:41 PM »
A friend of mine built beautiful yeagers. He did what he called a "pickeled" finish on the barrel. he said he used an old metal house gutter to put the barrel in. sorry, I don't remember what he put in it.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2018, 09:27:17 PM »
Yes, as is stated above, Clorox and water. eaves-trough works.
You either like the finish or you don't.  I like it on "woodbury" guns. 


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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2018, 09:48:58 PM »
I’ve gotten a finer pitting on the metal with a weaker Clorox/water mix. 2 parts water 1 part Clorox. Run your heat so as to get a “singe boil”. Little tiny bubbles. I’ll card the metal off every 5 minuets or so after the boiling starts. Keep giving it a bath until you get the effects that you want. Neutralize when finished.
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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2018, 11:17:03 PM »
I have had some luck doing as Hungry Horse does, use cold blue and then clorox on the blue surface and let sit in a sweat box , reapply clorox every half day for a couple days or so,card off and wash with a neutralizer and oil.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2018, 11:45:12 PM »
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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2018, 12:32:54 AM »
I used to boil in straight Clorox for about 20 minutes. I finally got over it.
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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2018, 02:00:44 AM »
someone please tell me the best method to plug the muzzle and breech so as to not have etching, pitting or rust in the bore while the boiling chlorox is taking place. i have used tight fitting wood dowel plugs in the past for the rust blue/boil process, but the last barrel gave me fits and took twice as long. by the time i got the result i was looking for i found some rust and etching of the rifling at the muzzle. coning removed the roughness, but was not intended to be done.

finishing a pistol barrel tomorrow that i would like to try the woodbury method on.
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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2018, 03:36:58 AM »
...neutralizer...
??

Baking soda mixed with water to make a paste.  Use a toothbrush to scrub the piece.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2018, 04:03:18 AM »
...neutralizer...
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Baking soda mixed with water to make a paste.  Use a toothbrush to scrub the piece.

-Ron
You are using a base (baking soda) to neutralize a base (bleach)?
An acid would neutralize the bleach, baking soda does little/nothing...

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2018, 04:03:28 AM »
Yes, thanks Ron, that's the way I did it on a couple of rifles and it worked quite well too. By doing it this way I was less concerned about getting any bore rust over the boiling method.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2018, 02:31:02 PM »
...neutralizer...
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Baking soda mixed with water to make a paste.  Use a toothbrush to scrub the piece.

-Ron
You are using a base (baking soda) to neutralize a base (bleach)?
An acid would neutralize the bleach, baking soda does little/nothing...

My dad is the chemistry teacher in the family, not me, but IIRC baking soda has the unique quality of being able to neutralize both bases and acids. Dad uses as it to clean up in his lab.
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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2018, 03:07:35 PM »
...neutralizer...
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Baking soda mixed with water to make a paste.  Use a toothbrush to scrub the piece.

-Ron
Not so loud!!  My baking soda hasn't figured out that it shouldn't  be working yet !! ;)
You are using a base (baking soda) to neutralize a base (bleach)?
An acid would neutralize the bleach, baking soda does little/nothing...

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2018, 03:21:10 PM »
still no reply to my question..........does that mean no muzzle/breech wood or rubber plug? you guys let the boiling chlorox solution into the bore......what am i missing here?

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2018, 03:54:09 PM »
Plug bore, seal breech. Install liner or drill vent hole after treatment
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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2018, 03:59:57 PM »
spar varnished Hardwood plug hammered into the muzzle, spar varnish on the breech threads.
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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2018, 04:11:29 PM »
45-110, Try a wine stopper. It works great.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2018, 05:53:33 PM »
Is there something that would do a similar finish by wiping on the metal, rather than immersing it? I don't have the space or equipment to set up a boiling trough for a long barrel here.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2018, 05:59:50 PM »
still no reply to my question..........does that mean no muzzle/breech wood or rubber plug? you guys let the boiling chlorox solution into the bore......what am i missing here?

You should grease the bore well....no bluing inside! I only blue the exposed flats, not the bottom three flats (less work and not needed). Plug the muzzle with a greased cork stopper, greased wood plug or even a candle. Also a greased round toothpick driven into the touch hole.
I tried boiling outdoors once and didn't get good results for some reason and haven't tried it since. A room temperature (bleach/water) bath works fine.

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2018, 06:20:23 PM »
...neutralizer...
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Baking soda mixed with water to make a paste.  Use a toothbrush to scrub the piece.

-Ron
You are using a base (baking soda) to neutralize a base (bleach)?
An acid would neutralize the bleach, baking soda does little/nothing...

My dad is the chemistry teacher in the family, not me, but IIRC baking soda has the unique quality of being able to neutralize both bases and acids. Dad uses as it to clean up in his lab.

Only by virtue of the fact that baking soda is less basic than bleach - Baking soda's pH is still basic. It should still be rinsed thoroughly to bring the pH as close to neutral as possible (pH 7 = Neutral).

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Re: Woodbury steel finish
« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2018, 06:29:16 PM »
I should also mention.......
I have been using a 3" dia. PVC pipe with the ends capped. Lay it flat & cut the top 1/3 or so out full length (I used a bandsaw) Cut a couple pcs. of PVC to fit & glue underneath for feet so it doesn't roll over. Drill a cork sized hole low on one end to drain liquid into a bottle when done. Dispose of liquid responsibly.





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