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Offline runastav

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Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« on: April 05, 2018, 06:44:03 PM »
Hi Guys!
Stock, Lock , triggergard and butcap from TOTW. Tang from Jedediah Starr Trading Company. So I have no patentbreach so I start build one from 2 parts.Drawings from TOTW, and Taylor and the building book in photo.Barrel is a bit of GM- 10" long cal 50
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Offline 45-110

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2018, 08:31:03 PM »
seeing your lathe, i am surprised you are not making the breech out of one piece of metal. either route is a fair amount of work, the snail in particular. i am just finishing up my hawken pistol build that seemed to go on for months. i really enjoy seeing people fabricate their parts.
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2018, 08:39:25 PM »
This should be yet another great follow along project. Hope you keep us updated on your progress.  :)

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2018, 03:13:43 AM »
I must say that I am anxiously awaiting watching you fabricate the breech and snail. I've been drawing me up one based on the earlier style that seams to not be offered.
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2018, 11:38:20 AM »
Hi and thank you guys!
Anyway how you make it of 1 piece or 2 its a LOT OF  work ???But after waiting ca 2 years for this part I give up and build myself ;)
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2018, 07:22:26 PM »
That's working out nicely Runar.
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2018, 08:09:09 PM »
Runastav - you sure are good with your lath, files, "get it done" attitude and techniques when fabricating parts for a build. It is a joy to me when you post about your projects. I always learn interesting things watching your progress.

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2018, 06:33:56 AM »
I can see you used the through bolt method that I am considering. Did you do anything to make the bolt permanent to the snail breach?
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2018, 06:36:00 AM »
You've certainly captured my interest Runar!  My kind of heavy metal fun - I will watch and learn.  I'm glad you are taking the time to post on this.

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2018, 02:26:29 PM »
I am always fascinated by your posts and projects Runar.  Thank you for sharing with us.  Go Runar!   God Bless,  Marc

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2018, 09:26:46 PM »
Thank you guys!
So a litle more haksawing and filing, dont bother to set up in the mill ;)Installing the nipple, Clark.B I will come to that Next time.
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Offline Joe S.

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2018, 12:12:10 AM »
Runastav,always a learning experiance watching your progress.Your fabrication of parts that you cant find or would rather make is a treat to watch.

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2018, 03:18:12 AM »
You’re a really ingenious and efficient problem-solver.  Plus unafraid to take on anything. This is another great tutorial.  Thanks!
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2018, 03:56:29 AM »
There's nothing like the satisfaction that comes from success at this kind of work!  And so much faster than waiting for a casting from a supplier.  I'm going to be interested in how you treat the front of the snail.  I'm going to resend you some images of the J & S Hawken pair...
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2018, 04:04:01 AM »
...and I think I'll post it here as a reference piece.  The difference is that the original J & S Hawken pistol pair have very large barrels (for pistols) with .65 cal bores.


In this image, note how the lock plate forward of the snail is rounded over, up to the barrel, and the lock panel begins about 3/8" forward of the plate.  Also, the hammer rests on the nipple at an angle less than 90 deg.  I assume the cup's floor is cut to match the nipple at 90 degrees.
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2018, 10:15:10 PM »
Thank you all! and Taylor for infomation! The lockplate is litle longer than original, and the hammer must I cut and weld ca 5mm Shorter. The clean out hardenen screew 5mm is also Lock screew for Chamber part and snailhouse
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Offline Clark Badgett

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2018, 02:26:34 AM »
Nice work. Is that the smaller L&R lock I told you about a couple of months ago? Now I need to go examine mine to see if my hammer is that tall.

Did Hawkens normally have a clean out screw on the off side? Would make making the breech easier.
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Offline runastav

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2018, 07:34:59 PM »
Yes Clark B it is.  I will build the pistol half stocked With ramrod swivel and 10" barrel lenght.
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2018, 07:47:52 PM »
Runastav when I saw the picture of your finished breedh and snail I just said to myself "Whoaaa, this guy is good!" And you are, most excellent work sir. I love the way you just go at it and let nothing stand in your way.

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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2018, 09:45:49 PM »
Nice fit on the lock plate and bolster, Runar.
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2018, 02:58:05 PM »
Thank you guys!
I ended up With a barrel lenght 9" and the underlug monted.
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2018, 03:22:20 PM »
You’re a really ingenious and efficient problem-solver.  Plus unafraid to take on anything. This is another great tutorial.  Thanks!

Being unable to get a simple part from the USA says little for the
American suppliers. I have milled a number of these in years long
gone when helping Bill Large.
  I have never seen a clean out screw on an antique but on upper
end English guns they have been found by using X ray. On the
Alex Henry breech of Don Brown's antique it was plain to see and
they were drilled all the way across and below the center line of the bore'
It appeared that the screw was probably peened,filed,polished and then
engraved with the rest of the breech. The so called "blow out plug"
was a thin platinum disc over another screw in the bolster.
These breech plugs were designed so little pressure was on the
nipple base and the platinum was only decorative.
Runar's clever system to bypass the problem proves the idea that
the fewer outside suppliers involved with such a project is  better.
Keep up the good work.

Bob Roller


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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2018, 11:48:00 AM »
Hi All! and thank you Bob Roller!
Slotted ovals inlays made
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2018, 03:02:23 PM »
Hi Guys! Pewter nosecap holes where fixed With old hot knife ;)
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Re: Building a Hawken style cal 50 pistol
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2018, 03:53:31 PM »
Hello again Runar, your work is always very interesting. Your ability to take a lump of steel, and make it into a three dimensional rose, is amazing.
To all who watch the building of this pistol see that anything is possible, if someone made it before.
Please continue your  piece and let us marvel. :)
Thank you for sharing with us your very fine work.
Best regards!
Fred
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