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Iktomi

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2018, 07:58:23 PM »
For a number of years I shot crescent butt plate rifles but NEVER from prone
and always between the shoulder and bicep.There is a reason the Brits made shotgun
style rifle stocks and it's called COMMON SENSE.Easy to manage even with heavy loads and
way better looking. The last crescent butt plate gun I made was a breech loader made to
look like a Carlos Gove which was styled like a muzzle loader.40-90-420 Ballard.

Bob Roller

  It's my limited understanding that "Hawken" type-rifles were an American evolution, (or devolution ;) ) of European/English sporters? I want a larger bore flinter for elk, so I'm going with something that has a more sensible buttplate. Don't get me wrong, I like this GPR that I currently have, it's a fine shooter and I've managed to kill a few critters with it.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2018, 08:51:59 PM »
  I've recently had the same experience shooting my "Hawken" at the local range.  Those narrow, curved buttplates concentrate the recoil in a very small area, while the wide ones on other guns tend to spread it over a larger area of the shoulder.  At the afore-mentioned range session, that plains rifle beat me up pretty good, and I don't bruise easily. I much prefer my firelock, for that and the usual aesthetic reasons.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2018, 10:04:19 PM »
I love 'em...and wouldn't trade for a blue-nosed mule!!

Muzzle Loading Rifles by Sharps Man, on Flickr

Neither of these have the deep crescent buttplate so would be
much more pleasanat to shoot.I am a bit surprised that so many
seen to think the rifle must be fired from the shoulder with such
a sharp top cap as the deep crescents have.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2018, 10:10:57 PM »
Took my Hawken to a chunk match many years ago and learned very quickly that crescent butt plates and chunk, or bench, shooting don't mix well. Have used shotgun type butts plates ever since.
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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2018, 10:26:42 PM »
This might sound simplistic, but try folding up a bath towel several times and placing it between your shoulder and the buttplate when shooting. It works with heavy-kicking shotguns shooting slugs and sabots.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2018, 11:51:58 PM »
My apologies,I seemed to have accidentally walked into the ladies room ;D

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2018, 01:07:34 AM »
  Arthritis in shoulder.  :-[ .   I am building a "Hawken" with a flattish BPCR buttplate. :o  Still A Hawken ? ?  8)
Anyway.... Hawken furniture and stock design. ;D

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2018, 02:57:02 AM »
An oversized slip on butt pad pops on and off easily . 


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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2018, 06:15:12 AM »
My apologies,I seemed to have accidentally walked into the ladies room ;D

I can assure you this isn't the case :)
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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2018, 01:18:14 PM »
Just funnin with everybody ;)

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2018, 03:26:48 PM »
  Arthritis in shoulder.  :-[ .   I am building a "Hawken" with a flattish BPCR buttplate. :o  Still A Hawken ? ?  8)
Anyway.... Hawken furniture and stock design. ;D

Some time ago I posted about an old friend who built a Hawken copy using the Robideaux drawings
and copied it to fine dimensions.He shot it and called me and said my muzzle crowning was a bad
job and all he could get was a 3 leaf clover group at a measured 150 yards.It was an 1 and 1/8"
Douglas barrel. His father shot it and said the crescent butt plate was an abomination and had his
son,Sid Estep make one with a shotgun butt stock and it looked great and was easier to shoot and
the accuracy ws equal. Sid made locks for a while and they were good ones but he didn't have name
recognition and decided to quit lock making and never made another one.This was over 40 years ago.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2018, 03:22:11 AM »


That's not a bruise, this is a bruise....


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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #37 on: May 12, 2018, 04:25:48 AM »

That's not a bruise, this is a bruise....


 Mine is indeed a bruise. Yours is a bigger bruise. How'd that happen?

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2018, 07:08:15 AM »
Just funnin with everybody ;)

My little English lady would like you to shoot her, Joe.

The wide flat butt plate usually leaves no marks - just a slight inner ache in the chest bones.
Naaaa - just kidding - actually it's a easy shooting gun, unless you want to shoot past 100yards, then she speaks as below.


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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #39 on: May 12, 2018, 07:11:59 AM »

That's not a bruise, this is a bruise....


 Mine is indeed a bruise. Yours is a bigger bruise. How'd that happen?

I've seen a lot of marks on my boys after a riot-squad session on multiple called targets shot from behind a barricade.  As they move around the edge of the barricade, the butt
moves further and further out their arm while shooting buck shot loads.  The result is exactly what this photo shows- usually more yellow & browns included- kinda like colour case hardening of the arm -  :o ;D.  That looks REALLY tender.
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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2018, 07:19:26 AM »
That kind of wound only hurts til the pain goes away.
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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2018, 02:26:19 PM »
Just funnin with everybody ;)

My little English lady would like you to shoot her, Joe.

The wide flat butt plate usually leaves no marks - just a slight inner ache in the chest bones.
Naaaa - just kidding - actually it's a easy shooting gun, unless you want to shoot past 100yards, then she speaks as below.


I'm not scared but I bet your little lady there might not act so lady like shooting those hot loads off a bench,bet she speaks loud and clear ;)

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2018, 05:17:11 PM »
Getting a little reckless boys. Whats wrong with a English style rifle or a Lancaster style to help absorbe  some of the recoil. Had a couple Hawken,s many years ago and learned my lesson the hard way.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2018, 10:39:53 PM »
I'm with you Little Joe. I've shot several rifles with different buttplates and drop and learned my lesson. It's the Lancaster type stock for me. This design really minimizes recoil for me.
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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2018, 01:36:24 AM »
  Since I don't care for heavy kicking guns. I decided to be a better hunter an get as close as possible. Before I shoot.  An Joe I'm still laughing...! Oldtravler

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2018, 04:01:16 AM »
That kind of wound only hurts til the pain goes away.

 That's a cousin of the axiom: "All bleeding eventually stops." :)

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2018, 02:10:49 PM »
I have had a few Hawkens. Flavored from .45 to .58. Have shot all of them off cross ticks as well as bench. Only shot them prone on the rifle frolic. Loads as high as135g 2f on the .58. Never have come home with any kind of trauma to my bicep. By the way I'm not a big guy

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« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2018, 04:28:59 PM »
I have had a few Hawkens. Flavored from .45 to .58. Have shot all of them off cross ticks as well as bench. Only shot them prone on the rifle frolic. Loads as high as135g 2f on the .58. Never have come home with any kind of trauma to my bicep. By the way I'm not a big guy


 This is the first and only time this ever happened, and I've shot this gun quite a bit.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2018, 07:22:29 PM »
Man, this thread is startin’ to look like the slow learners department. I had a light Navy Arms shotgun years ago that beat my cheek black, and blue, at a BP trap shoot, once. The key word here is “ONCE”. I sold it the next day, to a guy who’s physiology allowed him to shoot it without getting marked up.

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Re: $@#! Hawkens and their %$@! butt plates
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2018, 07:32:08 PM »
There has to be something wrong with the way you are mounting the rifle.  My Hawken rifle is a .62 cal. with the pointy Bridger butt plate.  I shoot balls @ 350 gr. over 127 gr. of FFg GOEX all day long, and don't even get a yellow blush.  I did have the unhappy occasion to shoot prone over a chunk with such a rifle in 1975, but have never done it since...that was brutal.  But offhand, no problem.
Bench shooting:  I only fire enough shots off a bench to test for group size and adjust sights to centre.  After that, I sight in offhand.
Alacran:  nice rifles.
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