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Offline Lindisfarne793

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North Carolina Fowler
« on: July 02, 2018, 06:57:42 AM »
Hello, all
  I am looking to build a flintlock fowler typical of North Carolina around the 1770s. I have a direct ancestor who was a NC militiaman in the Revolution enlisted around Hawsfield, and really want to put something together that closely resembles something he might have carried. I know features vary by region, so I am all ears. Thanks very much. I thought about a rifle, but figured a fowler would be appropriate for militia.

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 02:06:23 PM »
Hi,
A fowler may not be the right gun.  I am not familiar with militia requirements in NC but in many colonies just prior to the Rev War the gun had to be close to musket bore (69-76 cal) and had to mount a bayonet.  Whether those requirements were actually met is another question and of course requirements or lack of them likely varied among colonies.  You might want to find some historical sources from NC describing militia units before deciding on the gun.

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 03:40:50 PM »
An imported English trade gun or fowling piece would probably be the most common smoothbore a North Carolina man would own.  There is no recognized school or style of Southern fowling pieces so far as I know, with the possible exception of Maryland where waterfowling was a major enterprise.

In New England it is clear that fowling pieces were often used for militia duty, and in Washington’s letters he complained about the pitiful state of some guns brought by militia.  I haven’t read how prevalent fowling pieces were in militia use in other areas.  It seems unlikely in Pennsylvania as fowling pieces/smoothbores there seem smaller in bore.
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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 04:09:34 PM »
Hi,
The musket bore provision in MA goes back to 1693:
“ Every listed souldier ... shall be alwayes provided with a well
fixt firelock musket, of musket or bastard musket bore, the barrel
not less then three foot and a half long, or other good firearms to
the satisfaction of the commission officers of the company, a
snapsack, a coller with twelve bandeleers or cartouch-box, one
pound of good powder, twenty bullets fit for his gun, and twelve
flints, a good sword or cutlace, a worm and priming wire fit for
his gun.” Massachusetts Militia Laws, Nov. 22, 1693.

Later as the Rev War approached they added bayonets and metal ramrods with local communities sometimes footing the bill:

"Each soldier to provide himself with a good firearm, a steel
or iron ramrod and a spring for same, a worm, a priming wire
and brush, a bayonet fitted to his gun, a scabbard and belt
thereof, a cutting sword fifteen rounds . . . at least, a hundred
buckshot, six flints, one pound of powder, forty leaden balls
fitted to the gun, a knapsack and blanket, [and] a canteen or
wooden bottle to hold one quart [of water]." Journal of
Arthur Harris of the Bridgewater Coy of Militia.

Upon request of a number of the Inhabitants to see if the Town will call for those
bayonets that were providede for part of the training soldiers at the Province cost,
and that the remaindere of the soldiers may be providede with bayonets at the
expense of the Towne, to be returnable when called for. And that those persons
that have purchased bayonets at their own cost may be paid for them, by the
Towne, at the price the others cost the Towne.”

The residents also resolved “that bayonets be provided at the Towns cost for one
thirde part of the training soldiers in this Town, including those soldiers that have
already had bayonets provided for them at the Province charge.” Declarations
and Resolves, Town of Lexington, December 12 and 28, 1774.

It is also clear that in some NE towns, the municipal government supplied at least some of the firearms.  It was not always what the soldier already owned.  Of course, how well towns and counties fulfilled those requirements is a good question.    I looked into a lot of this when I built an historically correct firearm for a New Jersey militia soldier just prior to the Rev War.

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 04:55:18 PM »
Great documentation Dave. I’ve mostly heard about New England militia; not so much from the mid-Atlantic or South. I’m sure our view of things is also skewed by the many original fowling pieces attributed by family tradition to having been used in the Revolutionary War. I am not sure there is documentation of militia owning real muskets (Dutch or contract muskets, not Crown gun’s) but it seems likely to me.
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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 05:36:53 PM »
Admins: Feel free to move this to an appropriate section (Or I can) if you see fit, as it is more historical reference than building, but growing up in Bedford, MA (and the Bedford Minute Men) I have years of gathered historical documents from that time period. Here is a link to one that may assist you in your gathering of weapon types and how they were trained on them:

http://www.lexingtonminutemen.com/uploads/1/6/2/4/16242256/1764_manual_of_arms_-_1774_boston_edition.pdf

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 05:46:02 PM »
Hi Rich,
Another area of confusion, at least in NE history, is that there were probably quite a few civilian volunteers early in the war that carried whatever they owned at the time.  I suspect many of the NE fowlers that actually were used in the Rev War were carried by unorganized volunteers during the first few months of the war.  As time went on, it all gets blurred and muddled together.  Regardless, despite regulations about militia arms, what they really carried probably varied a lot and a musket with bayonet was the ideal but if all you had available was a fowler, that was better than nothing.  My main point to Lindisfarne, is do not assume that your ancestor carried a fowler.  He may have but he could also have had a musket with bayonet that he owned or was issued upon enlisting.  Moreover, he might have started out with a fowler but if he remained in service very long, he probably was issued a musket.  If I recall, North Carolina legislature was very protective of its militia resources and would not allow any uniforms, blankets, and firearms to be supplied to the Continental Army even after the British took Charlestown.  Of course, after Charlestown and Camden, there really wasn't any southern Continental Army anymore.  During most of the war in the south after 1778, I suspect many of the muskets issued to militia were imported from France. 

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 08:41:44 PM »
If you want a fowling piece I would go with an English import.


Just for fun and information, here is a list from 1755 Hyde Co. NOrth Carolina militia.
It lists each man and the type of arm he carried. Muskets, fowing guns, fuzees and even a few buckaneers ; )


Hyde County Militia List
for *Arromaskeet - October 1755

Captain Henry GIBBS, Jur.

Officers & NCO's:
William GIBBS, Leiutenant
Robert GIBBS, Ensign
John SPENCER, Serjent
Joseph JENNETT, Serjent
Morris JONES, Serjent

Corprells
William SPENCER - Carbine
John LOCKHEART - Fowling piece
Thomas GIBBS - Fowling piece
Thomas JONES - Buckanneer
Samuell SELBY, Jur. - Muskitt


Privates:
Samuell SELBY, Snr. - [Blank]
Thos. HARRIS, Snr. - Buckanear
David JONES - Muskitt
Christopher JONES - Fuzee
Thos. HARRIS, Jur. - Muskitt
Edward SPENCER - Fuzee
John MORRIS - Muskeet
William MORRIS - Buckaneer
Stephen HARRIS - Fowling piece
Joseph WILLIAMS - Muskitt
Samuell SMITH - Muskitt
William TURNER - Muskeet
Charles CUTHRELL - Muskeet
Robeart HENRY - Fowling piece
Hugh HENRY - Carbine
Richard BRINN - Fowling piece
John SWINDELL - Muskett
William HARRIS - Fuzee
Matthew CAPPS - Fuzee
John CARRYONE - Muskeet
William SWINDELL - Muskeet
Abraham JONES - Fuzee
Benjeman JACKSON - Muskitt
Thomas SPENCER - Buckaneer
Nathan BAKER - Buckanneer
John BREACE - Fuzee
Thomas SMITH - Muskitt
Joseph CARRYONE - Carbine
Ziddekiah SWINDELL - [Blank]
Josiah SWINDELL - Carbine
Caleb SWINDELL - Fuzee
Joseph WALLS - Fowling piece
William SELBY - Fuzee
Andrew HOPKINS - Muskeet
Hopkins WILLIAMS - Muskeet
[ t ] STUCKBURY - Carbine
John LEATH, Snr. - [Blank]
Step[ t ]en EMMERY - Buckanneer
Nicless COFFEE - Muskett
James HALL - Fowling piece
John HALL - Fuzee
Joshua HALL - [Blank]
John JENNETT - Buckanneer
Wa[ * ] COX - Fuzee
Solomon JONES - Carbine
Buredge SELBY - Fowling peice
John CARROW - Buckanneer
George WILLSON - Fowling piece
Nathan SPENCER - Fowling piece
John SMITH, Jur. - Muskitt
Luke LINTON - Muskitt
John LINTON - Muskitt
David DUNEIN [?] - [Blank]
Henry BREICE - Muskitt
Thomas ADKINS - Muskitt
John SELBY - [Blank]
James DAVISSON - Fowling peice
Buries [?] WATSON - Fowling peice
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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 08:53:47 PM »
Hi James,
That is a great list!  I wonder if they updated the arms requirements by the beginning of the Rev War.  Mass and other NE states had similar musters prior to the F&I war.  I know that the variety of type and quality of arms frightened colonial leaders as they were so unprepared for a war in 1755.  That experience resulted in them updating the arms standards where they could.

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 09:01:31 PM »
 Nice to see some carbines in there. I see s couple I like in “Of Sorts for Provincials” and have an original 12 ga barrel I would like to stock up.
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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 11:55:28 PM »
This is all good information. I am not married to any particular kind of gun, so all this is helpful. The guy enlisted in 1779 and served until the close of the southern theater of the war. Most of what I have found on North Carolina firearms is centered on rifles. I'll see what kind of historical information I can scare up about North Carolina's requirements.

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2018, 06:51:30 PM »
Would the "BUCKANNER" be what we call a Club Butt?

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Re: North Carolina Fowler
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2018, 07:41:09 PM »
Would the "BUCKANNER" be what we call a Club Butt?
I wouldn't call it that. It means French navy gun to me. "Club Butts" are English or new England in my vernacular.
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