They are like two peas in a pod...now we need to find out if the farm they grew up on is on the north or south side of the Ohio River. I am hoping by posting this second rifle by the same hand, that it might jog someone's memory we haven't heard from yet. I do find it interesting the two lock plates were from different gun/hardware shops but both in Cincinnati; kind of ties the maker in pretty close to that area in my mind. These are two nice rifles that really deserve to be identified. Shelby Gallien