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Offline redheart

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Cast off Hawken stocks.
« on: August 20, 2018, 07:13:27 PM »
Hey Guys

Did the original Hawken plains rifles have cast off stocks? :-[ :-\ ??? :o
My guess is that they did at times, but I really have no idea and would love to know for sure.
Thanks in advance.

Offline David Rase

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2018, 07:38:39 PM »
I have never put any castoff on a Hawken.  The buttplate and buttstock are narrow enough that there is no need for castoff.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2018, 07:50:54 PM »
Hey Guys

Did the original Hawken plains rifles have cast off stocks? :-[ :-\ ??? :o
My guess is that they did at times, but I really have no idea and would love to know for sure.
Thanks in advance.
The late Tom Dawson put a little cast off in some Hawken stocks.

Bob Roller

Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2018, 07:56:17 PM »
I have never put any castoff on a Hawken.  The buttplate and buttstock are narrow enough that there is no need for castoff.
David

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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2018, 08:16:43 PM »
I have handled a lot of original Hawken rifles and did not notice any cast off in any. As Dave said there would be no real need for cast off unless the shooter had a very robust physique.  A very small amount of cast off probably would't hurt much though. JMHO

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2018, 09:00:24 PM »
having to bend the breech tang to stay on a offset centerline could be problematic. i spend enough time bending them as cast just to get them straight. then there is the long trigger plate to consider too. a small amount of cast off could be achieved by careful layout, but its really not needed.
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Offline mountainman70

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2018, 03:50:38 AM »
I second what 45 110 sez. I don't even wanna think about that nightmare. Dave 8) 8)

Offline mark brier

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2018, 03:57:02 AM »
Not a issue at all really, just plan and layout for it. Really no big deal. Here is a picture of  the last Hawken I done showing the cast off.
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Offline Don Stith

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2018, 03:43:03 PM »
I  might as well get my two cents in.  Have not seen every Hawken, so cannot say all, but many have  cast off.  First you must accept that every Hawken built over 30 years or so was not identical.  There were variations in hardware as well as stock shape. Expecting every Hawken to look like an early 1850's half stock plains rifle. is a common error.
As far as the thinness negating the need for cast, I see it just the opposite.  The cast off helps the skinny crescent butt fit into the shoulder socket
  More cast in the toe than the heel helps too.  I like 1/4" at heel and 3/8" at the toe.  Try it you'll like it.
 Art Ressel(The Hawken Shop) Had most of the molds for his castings. made directly from original Hawken rifles.  Not all parts came from the same rifle .  His breech tang actually had more cast than the stock pattern he developed and had to be straightened some to fit his stock. His stock pattern was not taken from any specific rifle and was changed more than once to correct errors in the initial pattern. The stock pattern was modified again when Art sold the business.
 Mr Briers photo give you a goood sample of how it should look

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2018, 05:15:28 PM »
having to bend the breech tang to stay on a offset centerline could be problematic. i spend enough time bending them as cast just to get them straight. then there is the long trigger plate to consider too. a small amount of cast off could be achieved by careful layout, but its really not needed.
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kw

I used a lead ingot as an anvil to precisely adjust my Hawken tang.  The lead gives just a bit to allow a precise bend and does not mar the steel.

Offline mountainman70

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2018, 06:17:53 PM »
Hey Don, I will be building a squirrel rifle from a blank this winter. Does that type rifle usually have this cast off etc? I suppose it would be better to build it in during the planning stages. Thanks, Mark, good looking job as always. Dave f 8) 8)

Offline redheart

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 06:36:06 PM »
 Gentlemen, :)

I want to thank you all kindly for your prompt and very informative response to my question on cast-off Hawken stocks.

Offline Don Stith

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Re: Cast off Hawken stocks.
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 10:07:14 PM »
Dave
 The next time I have the squirrel rifles dug out of the back of the safe, I will check. They  generally have a short, non-hooked tang which makes it easier
Don