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Offline BillF/TRF

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flint too loose
« on: September 01, 2018, 10:46:29 PM »
I just finished polishing all the hardware and putting everything together on my York County pre-carve.  I would like to test fire the rifle but can't seem to keep the flint secure in the hammer jaws.  I am using the flint and leather that came with the kit but wonder why the flint seems to just "squeeze" out of position when I try tightening it down.  Is there anything I can do to keep it from moving?

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2018, 11:11:54 PM »
I had that happen once. The flint was to thin and the jaw has a stop on it that prevented it from tightening down on the flint. I added a piece of leather under the flint and that fixed my problem.

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2018, 11:39:20 PM »
Did you put a notch in the back of the flint and flint leather? Is the flint one with a slight hump on it?

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2018, 12:13:49 AM »
All of the above and maybe use a thicker leather or a thicker flint or both. Just because that leather and  flint came with the kit doesn't make them the correct ones to use.
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2018, 01:23:09 AM »
If the jaws are gripping on the  back side of a peak on the flints upper surface the flint will sqeeze forward. This should actually be evident if you watch while tightening up the saw screw.
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2018, 02:06:03 AM »
Another thing you may try is to dimple or groove the cock jaw so that the leather has something to grip.
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2018, 02:54:00 AM »
If the flint has a hump, you can flatten it if you have a diamond sharpening "stone".  Don't be tempted to use a grinding wheel.  Too much heat and the flint will shatter.  I've also used J-B Weld to build up the rear end of humpy and misshapen flints.  Use masking tape to make a dam.  File off flat once it hardens.

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2018, 05:08:04 AM »
I dimpled the upper and lower jaw and that has made them grip the leather much better! I'll find out how well it holds when i fire the rifle at the range.  Thanks stubshaft and the rest for the suggestions!

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2018, 05:45:41 AM »
If the flint has a hump, you can flatten it if you have a diamond sharpening "stone".  Don't be tempted to use a grinding wheel.  Too much heat and the flint will shatter.  I've also used J-B Weld to build up the rear end of humpy and misshapen flints.  Use masking tape to make a dam.  File off flat once it hardens.

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That JBWeld idea is genius.  I've used it for almost everything else, it'll work for that! 

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2018, 06:52:10 PM »
Why do they put that hump in a flint? I've never liked them.

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2018, 09:42:50 PM »
Why do they put that hump in a flint? I've never liked them.

It's a cheaper way to make flints.  You can get more flints out of a nodule by making the pyramid style than the flat-top type.

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2018, 11:03:17 PM »
I dislike them even more now.

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2018, 12:11:59 AM »
I find elk hide the best to wrap a flint with

Offline Bob Roller

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2018, 12:32:55 AM »
I much prefer the "flints"from Guenter Stifter in Germany.Uniform dimensions
and no humps to contend with.

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2018, 12:37:17 AM »
Instead of JB Weld, I use hot-melt glue.
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2018, 01:20:32 AM »
I've used a triangular file to cut more aggressive "grooves" in the jaws. Also I sometimes use sheet lead to "wrap" a flint. (Flatten a large round ball) The JB Weld idea is pure genius!
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2018, 04:44:31 AM »
Why do they put that hump in a flint? I've never liked them.

It's a cheaper way to make flints.  You can get more flints out of a nodule by making the pyramid style than the flat-top type.

Interesting, I just assumed some broke of flat and others humped.  Some locks don't seem to have a problem with the humps, either, though flat always is easier to install!

I have seen symmetrical, humped flints where both sides were usable, if the lock jaws would hold them.  Twice as nice, for the same price.

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2018, 05:40:08 AM »
bgf, I’ve never had fine nodules to work but have made a lot of flints.  Depending on the size and regularity of the core, about half the blades are triangular when I make flints from small, oddly shaped cores.
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2018, 09:19:19 AM »
Instead of JB Weld, I use hot-melt glue.

If you put it thick enough on the top and bottom it might not need leather.  Just another thing for me to try...
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2018, 04:34:45 PM »
bgf, I’ve never had fine nodules to work but have made a lot of flints.  Depending on the size and regularity of the core, about half the blades are triangular when I make flints from small, oddly shaped cores.

Are you still selling flints, Rich?

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2018, 08:05:53 PM »
Not really selling flints anymore. Can’t keep up.  My biggest issue is it takes time to find decent rock. If I make flints there’s no time to build guns. 
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2018, 08:41:54 PM »
I'm sure building guns is more fun.

Offline rich pierce

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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2018, 12:39:06 AM »
I'm sure building guns is more fun.

More fun, less money!   :D
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2018, 08:15:03 PM »
What need would a man, rich beyond measure, have for money?
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Re: flint too loose
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2018, 10:32:14 PM »
What need would a man, rich beyond measure, have for money?

Indeed!  I agree, money is not fulfilling.

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