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Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards - Completed
« on: November 11, 2018, 08:53:37 PM »
I was playing around with my engraving, as it has been a while since I did any metal work, so I thought I would clean up and engrave the lock to my Kibler Colonial kit, well, things kind of just kept going, and now I guess I will have to build a rifle around the lock?  -  :D - Shipper's influence.

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2018, 09:24:31 PM »
Very nice!

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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2018, 10:02:17 PM »
That's gonna have to be a heck of a rifle stock to match up to that fancy lock! I like it!!

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2018, 10:39:47 PM »
Another touch of class to an already classy rifle I';m sure.   :) Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2018, 10:49:51 PM »
Nicely done, you've turned into a very good engraver. Very "Schiperrs-esque". Over the top for Colonial American work. Belongs on something English or Continental. I guess you could always go with standard back up and call the gun  "Contemporary". ;)


When is that gun out of a plank going to get done? :P
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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2018, 01:00:54 AM »
Can't be English Mike, you can see the seam where the Frizzen and pan meet. Nice job Jon!!!
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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2018, 01:07:24 AM »
  Jon very nice work. Robby your but pickin....lol   Oldtravler

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2018, 01:20:29 AM »
Another thought.....Now the rest of the mounts are going to have to match the lock, then an equal amount of high end carving to match all the rest....TOO MUCH WORK! ;D
 I hope you got a stock that takes carving well...... ;)
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2018, 02:25:21 AM »
Beautiful work, Jon.  I'm impressed!

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2018, 03:45:08 AM »
I agree w/ Mr. Brooks, too much work ... send me the lock and a send you back a plain one ...
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2018, 05:04:08 AM »
I reckon that is some dressy looking work on that lock.  I know you were smiling when you posted that picture.  A lot to be proud of there.  God Bless,   Marc

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2018, 05:40:58 PM »
I guess now that the Turkey is carved, I might as well start carving the Colonial Rifle stock. I added some wood to the bottom of the cheek piece to change the design a little,  Drawing and design are done, a Kibler, Schipper, Kingsbury mix.... Feedback always welcome..












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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2018, 09:05:54 PM »
  Jon you are doing great..! Now a little wire work,barrel engraving,butt plate, the plate etc.
  Have no doubts this is going to be one gorgeous rifle.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2018, 10:02:33 PM »
I agree w/ Mr. Brooks, too much work ... send me the lock and a send you back a plain one ...

Good one. ;D

Oh boy- that is going to be one special rifle.
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2018, 04:58:03 PM »
Jon, my oh my! I don't know what else to say. Thats gonna be completely over the top. Can't wait to see it done.  Mikeh
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2018, 05:27:16 AM »
Looking great, Jon!  Can’t wait to see the final product, love the carving design!



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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2018, 05:37:42 AM »
Wonderful. Anxious to see it finished.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2018, 03:00:03 PM »
I cant even draw that nicely.

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2018, 05:10:40 PM »
I don't like the way your carving connects together at the rear ram rod pipe, same thing for the tang. Look at the early Swiss/PA gun on AMartin's site, would flow much better and it's traditional as well. What you have now is cramped and will be very difficult to carve well. I'd come up with a better design for the box cover as well. The back of your cheek piece needs work too....study some original cheek pieces and notice how the rear blends into the stock.
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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2018, 07:33:45 PM »
Mike... You promised me you would not hold back, please let me know how you really feel ....  ;D

Notes taken, I'll look at what I have but some of the carving has begun, so at least one of the horses left the barn....  ???

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2018, 07:45:16 PM »
Mike... You promised me you would not hold back, please let me know how you really feel ....  ;D

Notes taken, I'll look at what I have but some of the carving has begun, so at least one of the horses left the barn....  ???
I figured I was too late. ;) I still think you should reconsider the tang and rear ram pipe carving if you haven't got that far. Please keep in mind I'm never satisfied with my own work either, most folks always have room for improvement.
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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2018, 08:04:23 PM »
I was playing around with my engraving, as it has been a while since I did any metal work, so I thought I would clean up and engrave the lock to my Kibler Colonial kit, well, things kind of just kept going, and now I guess I will have to build a rifle around the lock?  -  :D - Shipper's influence.

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2018, 08:13:44 PM »
Mike... You promised me you would not hold back, please let me know how you really feel ....  ;D

Notes taken, I'll look at what I have but some of the carving has begun, so at least one of the horses left the barn....  ???
I figured I was too late. ;) I still think you should reconsider the tang and rear ram pipe carving if you haven't got that far. Please keep in mind I'm never satisfied with my own work either, most folks always have room for improvement.

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Re: Kibler's Colonial Kit - Starting Backwards?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2018, 09:49:47 PM »
Thanks to Katherine and Jim - I got a set of waxes for all the "Brass" parts (For a swap in doing some computer networking and cable work in their shop) so now we have a solid Sterling silver set for the Colonial. I had the silver from long ago, and it needed a new home....still needs final cleaning up and polishing, but will be a different look... More to follow as the carving continues through the holidays... Engraving will continue as well...

Very best wishes and happy holidays to all,

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2018, 02:09:46 AM »
Hi Jon,
Boy O, the designs are beautiful and ambitious!!  It should be a great exhibition of your decorative skills.  With respect to designs, I have a few suggestions but they are only in line with my artistic tastes. I am not fond of the wide edge of the cheek piece.  My eye says make it half as wide.  Perhaps, look at making the carving around the nose of the comb more leaf-like and a little smaller. Even just a little smaller would make it look better to my eyes.  Jon, my wife, Gail, was a very great designer, and she taught me an incredible amount about filling space and paying attention to the "white spaces" between focal decorations.  In a sense, they are also part of the design, the relief your eyes get and the context that focuses the eye on where you want them to go.  With that in mind, I think the design in front of the cheek piece is too large and bold.  There is a lot going on in the wrist area and it does not need the big scrolls from the cheek piece.  A smaller, more compact design and one that dives lower relative to the beaver tail on the sideplate panel would look better IMO.  The design behind the cheek piece is very good, in fact, I used almost the same design on my "Star of Bethlehem" rifle, which was in turn inspired by a gun by Jim Kibler. Around the patch box, I would eliminate the outer design.  Keep the rest of the decorative border but eliminate the outside molding.  Make room to show off the wood after all the wood is not a blank canvas like a painter experiences.  It is an integral part of the design.  Good luck and I am looking forward to the finished gun.

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