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Offline J Henry

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2018, 05:02:07 PM »
  Contact the barrel MFG. Safety issue,the head you save could be a friend or not. The MFG. might even want the barrel back to look it over and investigate why!!

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2018, 05:24:13 PM »
Dixie has the replacement part and claims they are X-rayed.

Fred

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2018, 04:27:48 PM »
First would contact L&R. Their plugs are x-rayed according to their website. They are great folks to deal With.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2018, 05:50:59 PM »
Don't spend any more time on this.  The plug is toast.  Replace it.

The light showing thru the flash channel tells me the channel is way too big
and can put too much pressure on the base of the nipple.If you can find an
English long range rifle and examine that breeching system you will see a
job done by people who knew what they were doing.I think Rod England may
be the only one doing this now but the idea can be taken to Hawken and
similar bolster breeches.Bill Large modified his bolster breech after 2 nipples
blew out and broke the tumbler both times on one of my Hawken locks.
As I recall it was a 50 caliber and 110 grains of 3fg and patched round ball.
I just now looked at a Griffith breech that belongs to a customer and it
could have been done like the Brits did it but it wasn't but if used on a medium
bore round ball rifle it probably will be OK. It seems as though there are people
making and marketing these breech plugs that have no idea as to what they
must be to be safely used.If I were making them I would assume they would be
used by people who still think that a muzzle loader can't be blown up with black
powder and make them like the Brits did.LIABILITY is attached to these things
so caveat emptor is the rule.

Bob Roller

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2018, 06:18:28 PM »
Well Bob, how did the Brits make there breeches? I am about to start a Hawken styled rifle and will be using a straight tapered 1 1/16" to 1" Don Get barrel in 50 cal. I am in need of a good breech for this barrel. If you can point me in the right direction to find this information it would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Jim Parker
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2018, 03:09:19 AM »
Well Bob, how did the Brits make there breeches? I am about to start a Hawken styled rifle and will be using a straight tapered 1 1/16" to 1" Don Get barrel in 50 cal. I am in need of a good breech for this barrel. If you can point me in the right direction to find this information it would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Jim Parker

Jim and others
The Brits drilled them across,in one side and out the other.The cross over
was below the center line of the bore and was then drilled for the nipple
seat,usually to the depth needed for full threads for the nipple.This requires a
bottom tap,usually a 1/4x28.A small hole slightly larger than the flash hole in'a nipple
is drilled thru the web of steel below the nipple and into the cross hole.
The cross hole is drilled and tapped for an appropriate thread of 12x24 or 28.
The idea here is to prevent a major pressure build up against the base of the
nipple.On the original British guns the hole on the left side is plugged with the
12xwhatever threaded  rod and then upset with a hammer and filed smooth and
frequently engraved.The right side is also threaded 12x whatever that is stopped short
of the nipple seat and a threaded rod is screwed in tight and filed flush.Sometimes
there are platinum discs seated over this plug and called a blowout plug.
The mechanical nature of the whole arrangement defies the "blowout" idea from
the start.
I noticed a screw on the bolsater of the Schalk rifle and it may be cross drilled as well.
A .32 isn't likely to kick up much pressure so it might not have the elaborate nipple seat ;D

Bob Roller 

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2018, 06:32:17 AM »
Thanks for the information Bob, much appreciated. With that said is there anything close to resembling that on the market today?
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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2018, 12:45:07 PM »
kutter...It's not the place to be filling holes that start appearing on the outside,,and then hope that's all there is to them on the inside.

JMO


Yup.  Between he and D Taylor, you got some good advice.

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Re: Hole in L & R breech plug New photos plug is out
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2018, 07:22:38 PM »
I’ll never use a cast breech assembly again. Having built a Hawken type rifle with one of L/R’s breech plug and tang assemblies. It failed on the first shot ruining the gunstock and giving my right hand a nice burn. Thank heaven it never made it to a customer. Never again. BJH
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