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Daryl Pelfrey

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Dal= johnson lock question
« on: December 24, 2018, 03:23:37 AM »
Does anyone know if the side plates that match the large siler will match up with the Dale Johnson lock?
Any help is appreciated.
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Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2018, 03:27:27 AM »
Quote from: Daryl Pelfrey on December 24, 2018, 03:23:37 AM
Does anyone know if the side plates that match the large siler will match up with the Dale Johnson lock?
Any help is appreciated.
You could cut your own, I always do, ain't hard.
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Offline M. E. Pering

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2018, 03:35:02 AM »
I second what Mr. Brooks said.  I have never, ever used a commercial side plate.  There is a lot more freedom and room for your own creativity if you make your own, too.  Plus, it gives you experience in making your own parts, which is more rewarding than buying.

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J.E. Moore

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2018, 04:23:20 AM »
I compared my lock with a pre carve stock I've got put back and it's for a large siler and the tail end of the Dale Johnson has more drop than the large plate. About the same length just more curved from the cock back to the tail. Don't think it would interchange with the large siler without a wood patch in the mortise.
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Daryl Pelfrey

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2018, 04:41:23 AM »
JE. I meant will the same side plate work for either lock far as screw placement.  I dont know about cutting my own. Dont have anything to cut it with. Maybe a inlay saw for cutting inlays would work. I can get brass at work just hope its the right type. It is about
3/16 in plate brass.
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J.E. Moore

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2018, 05:02:26 AM »
Ok I'm sorry I miss understood. Yeah I would think that the side plates should interchange,  most of the difference is in the rear where they shouldn't be bolts going through so I'd say you'll be fine
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Offline Chris in Washington

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2018, 05:07:12 AM »


Yes they will.  This is the side plate that I used with the Dale Johnson lock on the last rifle I built.  Just the standard Lancaster side plate.   

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Daryl Pelfrey

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2018, 05:09:58 AM »
Thanks Chris
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Offline M. E. Pering

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2018, 07:50:46 AM »
Daryl Pelfrey... All you need is a $15 jewelers saw and some blades, along with a few files.  You just draw on the brass and saw, or attach a paper pattern and saw.  Make sure you get 1/8th thick stock, unless you are going for a flush side plate.  Regardless, use the files to clean up the edges and chamfer them, as you will have to do anyway with a commercial side plate.  You can always copy a side plate too, easier done if you have a TOW catalog with exact size prints.

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Daryl Pelfrey

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2018, 01:24:41 PM »
Thanks everyone,,,,,, thanks Matt
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Offline Mike Brooks

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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2018, 05:03:25 PM »
Hacksaw and files.
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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2018, 05:59:46 PM »
Quote from: Mike Brooks on December 24, 2018, 05:03:25 PM
Hacksaw and files.
Me Too!  Hacksaw blades cut faster and last longer than jewelers blades. ;D  Also, I have never found a commercial sideplate that matched a lock.  It's the little differences that separate a rifle from being handmade vs. homemade.David
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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2018, 06:58:18 PM »
  David and Mike. I got it I think. Jack out the rough design. Then finish with the for a ????   Right...?   Oldtravler
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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2018, 08:16:58 PM »
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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2018, 05:55:16 PM »
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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2018, 07:34:25 PM »
Quote from: Mike Brooks on December 25, 2018, 05:55:16 PM
Quote from: D. Taylor Sapergia on December 24, 2018, 08:16:58 PM
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Must be the eggnog..... ;D
It does get cold in the upper peninsula.  I am sure eggnog is a staple.
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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2018, 07:53:23 PM »
 I like to tell people that I have 50 years of experience with absolutely no talent.  Strictly an amateur.  That being said, I sometimes I have to drill the front hole for a flintlock a little crooked to miss the ramrod hole.  Therefore, I don't even try to make a commercial sideplate fit.  I have several I can send you if you want to try.  PM me.

I think it is Runastav who drills lots of holes near the finished outline of a piece, then saws across them with a hacksaw.  Look at some of his builds recorded on this forum.  It is quick.  Finish with a grinder and/or files (whatever you have).

I really like the Dale Johnson lock. 


Here is a photo I copied from a post by Rumastav.
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Re: Dal= johnson lock question
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2018, 04:57:54 PM »
I seldom use a cast side plate, as they seldom fit quite right. I drill and tap the holes for my lock nails and let them wind up where they wind up keeping every thing square and level from the lock side. Then I make a heavy paper pattern of the side plate side of the lock panel. Punching holes in it with the lock bolts. Use the bolts to hold it in place then draw the side plate with a pencil. Now we have a side plate of the design you want that actually fits your location and hole spacing. Use the paper pattern to lay out and cut out your side plate. Not at all hard to do. BJH
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