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Offline t.caster

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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2019, 06:35:29 PM »
Beautiful! Everything about it is very pleasing to the eye. Better than the original.
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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2019, 06:39:23 PM »
This is absolutely beautiful, as is every piece you make. It would be such a pleasure to hold and shoot.
Did you manage to get a set of drawings, or work from the photos in the book?

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2019, 06:54:03 PM »
Wolfgang..., no drawings.  I traced the rifles profile from the book using tracing paper.  I then used an opaque projector to enlarge the traced drawing onto a heavy piece of artist paper.  Since I had a known distance, which in this case was the length of pull, I enlarged it to that dimension.  I then traced the projected image onto the heavy paper, and then used that as my profile for the stock.  Hope that makes sense...   Best,


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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2019, 08:12:11 PM »
Fantastic job!  I like everything about it, and it's easy to see why you became enamored of it.
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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2019, 08:21:37 PM »
I really like it!  I've been wondering what you've been up to lately. This would make a great hunting rifle.   
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2019, 10:58:13 PM »
Outstanding as usual Ed, Very nice!!

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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2019, 11:13:04 PM »
A very very cool rifle Ed...nice work.  Your sight radius is very short, but I'll bet it's crystal clear!  Is it a personal hunting rifle?  It shouts hunter's rifle for sure.  With that stock architecture, I'll bet it handles like a dream.  It reminds me of my old Jaeger rifle - one of my all time favourites.  Looks like I need a copy of that book.
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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2019, 11:14:38 PM »
Absolutely stunning! I would have to agree with the others, I like the changes that you have made, I like it better than the original!
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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2019, 02:30:53 AM »
Good eye, Taylor...  Aesthetically, the rear sight would have looked better closer to the shooter, but even with my shooting glasses, I’d have trouble picking it up!  So, I placed it farther forward.  If I were to do it again, I’d have moved it back at least some.  Don’t know why I didn’t anyway, since I’m pretty sure I’ll try to find it a new home.....


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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2019, 08:02:21 AM »
Outstanding work once again, Ed!  Very appealing overall.  I'm excited to hear about your successful use of the projector to help with making a drawing for the rifle - I picked one up at an auction for cheap a few years back just for that purpose, but haven't used it yet.  It may come in handy yet!

Thanks for posting the rifle.

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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2019, 12:53:15 PM »
Beautiful work! That looks like a handy hunting rifle.
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2019, 04:03:56 PM »
A really nice piece Ed. You never fail to impress and inspire. 

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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2019, 05:56:59 PM »
Ed,

Being an avid fan of the early Northampton/Christian Springs gun making tradition I am particularly delighted with this latest build from you very talented hand!  That gun  looks as if it could have been pried out of the hands of the explorer/hunters of the 1760's.  It has it all.  Super job!

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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2019, 01:48:28 AM »
Hey Ed:
As we discussed, this Moravian Riflegun has a lot of WOW factor to it, it should be an awesome shooter.
it is obvious sir that you took your time and the end result is a direct reflection of of your care and attention to detail.
Have a blessed week my friend.
VTY,
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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2019, 03:23:20 AM »
Thanks, Jimmy!


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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2019, 10:43:02 PM »
Very nice Ed!  Looks like it could go for a walk in the wood!
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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2019, 12:01:47 AM »
That is a great rifle Ed. I think the Moravian books have added an interest in the rifle building community. I have one that will be starting soon myself, I hope it turns out half as good as yours. I hope to see many more.

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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2019, 12:22:46 AM »
Ed - great workmanship on a very beautiful rifle. I had not seen one of these before, and it is very pleasing to my eyes.
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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2019, 01:31:28 AM »
Ed;  Beautiful rifle! I especially like your simple but elegant decoration. The overall stock shape will contribute to a well balanced shooter. Once again I am in admiration of your artisanship!   Hugh Toenjes   
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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2019, 01:52:52 AM »
Ed, i was also tickled to see your version of this early German stocked rifle, that seems a forerunner to our colonial rifles.  I have a hard time saying that i like a contemporary piece better than the original - since we need those originals for study.  But you have created another original here, and a dandy, so i like it equally as well on its own merit.

It's good to hear that you were able to generate a profile from the book photos.  I think you and others would also be able to sketch this up from scratch now, with your design talent and awareness of how an old gun fits and feels.  Often the dimensions are changed to fit a customer anyway.  Houston Harrison did this drawing for the owner many years ago, and they were available from various suppliers.  i checked recently after someone asked, but could not find this particular HH plan - though other of his plans are still available.  With Houston gone, and just recently the original owner passed, i don't know who owns the original drawing?  If someone finds a source for these, I'm aware of several who are interested in a copy.

When i saw this plan some 20 years back, i thought i saw in the carving behind cheek, double spur on trigger guard, sideplate and other details a "step or two" prior to rifle #43 in Shumway and the Edward Marshall rifle.  I purchased a set of mounts and the lock castings from the Rifle Shoppe, who still have these if someone wants a closer copy.  So when the book came about, we used this short rifle and an Albrecht signed pistol from Germany to show what our earliest gunstockers learned in their apprentice and journeymen work.

We tried to quietly include the dimensions and feel in the text to help contemp builders recreate something like the original.  Some collectors are happy to make their original available for photography and measurement - even rubbing, while others value their rare originals and do not want to see their special piece turned into a shop drawing so folks can turn out many copies of it, somehow diluting the original.  Hopefully weaving info into the text for comparison between the several guns provides the builder the information in a subtle way.  The barrel breech and buttplate establish each rifle a little differently.  Thanks again for your take on this one.  Bob

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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2019, 04:47:33 AM »
Thanks, everyone, and thank you Bob for the great information and insight.  It was great fun to build, and I look forward to doing a similar rifle with a longer barrel.  Moravian Gunmaking II is a wonderful book, one of my favorites!


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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2019, 05:09:00 PM »
Thanks, everyone, and thank you Bob for the great information and insight.  It was great fun to build, and I look forward to doing a similar rifle with a longer barrel.  Moravian Gunmaking II is a wonderful book, one of my favorites!


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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2019, 05:36:26 PM »
From where I'm sittin it looks like the ultimate handling germanic hunter,....the Rem. Mod 7 of the 18th century. Whats not to like,.....also beautiful. Man I love it.
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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2019, 03:21:46 AM »
Me too, Mike!  A. Martin sure builds some fine ones....

Thanks, Aaron



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Re: A Moravian Riflegun....
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2022, 05:06:28 AM »
Thanks, everyone, and thank you Bob for the great information and insight.  It was great fun to build, and I look forward to doing a similar rifle with a longer barrel.  Moravian Gunmaking II is a wonderful book, one of my favorites!


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Ed, that truly an extraordinary rifle ... what beautiful workmanship and artistry!