Ken, I have had 12 of them. To discribe them, they were not really four footers and the ends appeared to be just hacked off. The outsides required a goodly amount of draw filing, but the iron was nice and soft. It was easy to put a kink into them if dropped or rough handled before they were mounted. I liked rifling every one of them and think highly of them. Hacker Martin thought the same. Cheers, Bookie P.S., When you called me last week, I was standing in the middle of the Bear River near Colfax, California, panning out some gold. You must be the Good Fairy as I pulled out the largest piece of gold I've found in the U.S.!! Make sure you call me next year, too!