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Daryl Pelfrey

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Turkey gun.
« on: February 02, 2019, 06:17:52 PM »
Is it unreasonable to expect to get a 20ga fusil to be a 35 yard  turkey gun.

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2019, 06:43:37 PM »
Is it unreasonable to expect to get a 20ga fusil to be a 35 yard  turkey gun.
You can do it if you jug choke it.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2019, 08:00:35 PM »
I have been looking into the same, read several responses and sources for info. Seems most suggest using Danny Caywood to get a barrel jug chocked.
http://www.caywoodguns.com/jug-choking.html
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2019, 08:03:51 PM »
Caywood did really good on 2 barrels of mine. Lowell Tennison is another source.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 10:02:39 PM »
Can't go wrong with Caywood or Tennison. 

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2019, 11:06:11 PM »
Can either or both Caywood and/or Tennison do the job with lugs already soldered to the bottom of the barrel and front sight already soldered on?
Contact info for Tennison?
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2019, 11:20:28 PM »
This is the info I have but it is at least 6 or 7 years old and it is spelled Tennyson.  Lowell Tennyson, 209 E. Lotte St. Blue Grass, Iowa 52726 (563) 381-3711.  Mike Brooks may know more if this has changed or he has retired. 

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2019, 11:37:31 PM »
This is the info I have but it is at least 6 or 7 years old and it is spelled Tennyson.  Lowell Tennyson, 209 E. Lotte St. Blue Grass, Iowa 52726 (563) 381-3711.  Mike Brooks may know more if this has changed or he has retired. 

Dave

Lowell has been retired for many years. He still does jugs though and you have the correct info.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2019, 01:17:21 AM »
Caywood did mine with everything installed on the barrel.   



My 44" jugged 20 bore puts around 85 pellets in a 10" circle at 30yds.  Took a lot of experimenting to get it to shoot that well...

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2019, 02:16:00 AM »
Caywood did mine with everything installed on the barrel.   



My 44" jugged 20 bore puts around 85 pellets in a 10" circle at 30yds.  Took a lot of experimenting to get it to shoot that well...
That's odd. My experience with a jug is just the opposite, I can load about any way I want and still get good patterns.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2019, 04:16:10 AM »
Same with my standard choke. not fussy at all. On the other hand, Taylor's Joseph

Manton SxS cap lock was very picky about finding a combination that didn't blow

patterns.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2019, 06:27:35 PM »
Same with my standard choke. not fussy at all. On the other hand, Taylor's Joseph

Manton SxS cap lock was very picky about finding a combination that didn't blow

patterns.
Interesting. I have had a couple S X S percussion guns I could never get good patterns out of.  I think Sometimes the muzzles are so belled out from ram rod use a trim of 5/8" or so off the muzzles will fix it.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 08:48:43 PM »
I don't quite remember what the load was that shot well - as one barrel was wonderful with a certain load, but the other blew donuts with it.
Then, 3 or 4 different attempts, we found  a combination that was equal, side to side and almost as good as the 'best' pattern.
When working with 2 different barrels, getting equal results is much harder. Perseverance pays off, after all, "We must endeavour to persevere".
A great man said that, or is said to have said that one.  :)
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 06:09:18 PM »
Daryl when you say standard choke are talking about a jug choke or just a regular batrel.

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2019, 10:44:09 PM »
Standard choke, not jug choke. My barrel has about a 3/4" end-choke, 

that is 3/4" of parallel section AFTER the choked section. Thus, it has a

standard choke, like "E".  The jug choke is "G"


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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2019, 04:46:58 AM »
To answer your initial question, yes. PM SkyChief about patterns. I use his recommendations and would never jug choke a perfectly good cylinder bore.

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2019, 10:32:51 AM »
This is the info I have but it is at least 6 or 7 years old and it is spelled Tennyson.  Lowell Tennyson, 209 E. Lotte St. Blue Grass, Iowa 52726 (563) 381-3711.  Mike Brooks may know more if this has changed or he has retired. 

Dave

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2019, 06:16:38 PM »
Did they jug choke barrels 200 years ago....just curious

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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2019, 01:47:06 AM »
No.

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2019, 01:56:01 AM »
 Thank you Jerry, I though I was the only one that felt that way.

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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2019, 02:15:47 AM »
They were messing with choke for hundreds of years with everything you could think of tried, some of it semi successful. This type of jug choke we're currently discussing is documented to the 1870's in the central Illinois area, can't remember the name of the fella that "invented" it. Seems like there was some English bloke that made the claim to jug fame about the same time.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2019, 06:34:04 AM »
Pape - (American?) developed a screw-on choke mid 1800's - Pape of Newcastle - is that in NY or the UK?
Nothing new - it's all been done.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2019, 07:50:46 AM »
can't you use a rifle?  Here in BC, any rimfire rifle can be used, or shotgun.
Since the flinter ignites at the side, I assume it's a rimfire.
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2019, 10:25:55 PM »
Ah, Daryl - you got me choking on my sandwich!  Yep, I think a flint lock would be a rim fire.  Unless you mounted it dead center on the barrel, in which case it would be a center-fire!
Still chuckling!
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Re: Turkey gun.
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2019, 11:47:13 PM »
 ;D snicker!
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