Author Topic: So what's wrong with Goex powder (Read 3879 times)

MuskratMike · « **on:** March 29, 2019, 09:22:19 PM »

I have read several threads bad mouthing Goex powder ever since Hogdon took them over. I am not concerned with issues in the past I am talking about now. I find it to burn fine in all grades from 2F to 4F. No dirtier than other powders I have used. Am I missing something or have the issues been resolved?

Daryl · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2019, 09:30:27 PM »

It shoots fine for me - always has, right back to 1972. I've never had fouling problems with GOEX - any grade.
What I see with Today's GOEX, are shinier, less dusty, sharper edged grains of powder. Works just fine for me
in my ML's and ctgs.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2019, 10:02:03 PM »

I bought Goex 2F this time. I haven't shot Goex in quite a while and haven't tried it yet. Like Daryl says. It looks good now.

hanshi · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2019, 11:15:02 PM »

I've always found Goex to be THE perfect muzzleloading powder. If it was any more expensive i wouldn't be able to afford it; and if it was any cheaper I wouldn't want it.

I've found Goex to be excellent powder and it has always done what I expect from a good powder. I even got "satisfactory" results with Elephant. In the 1960s Dupont was fine with me. Later Goex and a couple others also pushed lead balls out the muzzle quite nicely. I never competed so didn't need anything other than a good, reliable, workhorse powder.

smokinbuck · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2019, 12:00:35 AM »

I have also shot Goex in various grades in rifles and shotguns over the years with good success.
Mark

WadePatton · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2019, 12:34:12 AM »

Nothing at all (yet).

But I won't give Hodgdon any more of my money. I quit them because of their denial of the cold-hard truth about P-stuff.

It's my money and that's how I vote. Use whatever you likes.

Daryl · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2019, 01:59:40 AM »

The VERY best powder I every shot, was American Deadshot Rifle(I think). It was in a 10 pound can, about 1/2 full when I got it. The powder was very angular, sharp, shiny, hard granuals.
I poured the powder off and re-canned it in C&H or Meteor cans, iirc. I had to use a sieve as there were chunks of rust in it, from the inside of the powder barrel. Sieving it, got most of it out
but says it got wet at one time or another. There was no deterioration of the powder and good stuff, it was.

A. Deadshot, I read, was the second best powder in the world, second only to C&H #6. That said, perhaps Swiss is as good, I don't know. There was less cleanup needed with it, so I guess maybe
it was shooting more cleanly than the 1975-era GOEX, Meteor and C&H. I did manage to score a couple cans of Dupont 2F but it seemed no better than GOEX.

That powder had to pre-date 1898 as seems to me, the 'plant' blew up on that date. There was no powder on the market that looked anywhere close it so I am sure it was the real deal.

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2019, 04:37:33 PM »

Funny you mentioned Curtis & Harvey's powder Daryl.

I was going to say I have always found Go-ex to work fine for me, but for sporting guns, (shotguns) I still prefer the Curtis & Harvey no 2 or No 6 powder.
It seems to "go off" with a bit less jar, and produces very nice patterns.
Mind, the old C&H is hard to find now, and only the newer stuff made in Germany is seen at all.

Huntschool · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2019, 08:01:06 PM »

I have shot GOEX since 1970 and maybe a bit earlier. We were even a 2nd level wholesaler for it. Wife and I never has any troble/problems with any of it in either percussion or flint guns......

45-110 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2019, 08:57:22 PM »

I have always shot Goex and have found it most suitable. the average shooter........which means most shooters could never tell the difference between it and say Swiss because of their shooting form. Few real accuracy problems show up at 25 to 50 yards due to the powder. Now all that said, I have been using as of late Olde Eynsford because of the availability, and it is an improved Goex product for longer ranges.

Hungry Horse · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2019, 03:42:29 AM »

IMO, poor accuracy almost always has it root cause in lack of practice. That being said almost nobody will admit that they don’t practice much,or in some cases at all. So they blame it on patches, bullets, and powder, along with triggers, lock time, and heaven knows what else. I’ve been to shoots where people were shooting guns that were much inferior to most of the guns on the line, but they finished in the money, for one reason alone, they shoot their gun a lot.
If you shoot a lot you naturally discover what your gun prefers. If you don’t shoot a lot you will likely wind up with a storage unit full of stuff that was supposed to be the answer, and you still won’t be able to hit a Buffalo in the but with a bass fiddle.

Hungry Horse

MuskratMike · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2019, 06:14:11 AM »

Hungry Horse: well said my friend well said. Go to the range or wherever you can spend an hour or two and just shoot. Practice makes perfect.

Mike from OK · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2019, 07:24:10 AM »

Quote from: Hungry Horse on March 31, 2019, 03:42:29 AM

IMO, poor accuracy almost always has it root cause in lack of practice. That being said almost nobody will admit that they don’t practice much,or in some cases at all. So they blame it on patches, bullets, and powder, along with triggers, lock time, and heaven knows what else. I’ve been to shoots where people were shooting guns that were much inferior to most of the guns on the line, but they finished in the money, for one reason alone, they shoot their gun a lot.
If you shoot a lot you naturally discover what your gun prefers. If you don’t shoot a lot you will likely wind up with a storage unit full of stuff that was supposed to be the answer, and you still won’t be able to hit a Buffalo in the but with a bass fiddle.

Hungry Horse

Well said.

I'm sure most of us know the legend of Timothy Murphy and the incredible shot at the battle of Saratoga... I'm sure he didn't have Swiss powder, consistent patching, or a perfectly round ball. What he did have was years of practice and an intimate knowledge of how his gun performed.

Spending time sending lead downrange is the best way to hone your skills.

Mike

bob in the woods · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2019, 03:12:19 PM »

I shoot Goex because it is almost affordable

That said, I do buy in lots , and keep track of the lot numbers. There used to be sometimes significant variances between lots, which was especially apparent when shooting long range bullet rifles. Perhaps the powder is more consistent now, but old habits die hard,

alacran · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2019, 03:31:40 PM »

Hungry Horse is spot on!! Over the years I have noted that those in the winners circle are those that shoot more than their monthly club shoots.
I do my best to shoot at least once a week. In some areas you can go to a shoot every weekend of the month. Competition sharpens your skills. Shooting paper will tell you if you are progressing. Find some one who is significantly better than you and practice with him or her if it is possible.
I have shot Goex for years, never attributed a bad outing on my powder. I have shot Schutzen powder and it is also a fine powder.
I'm to cheap to buy Swiss. I can practice more with Goex cause I can afford to shoot more.

taco650 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 01, 2019, 01:34:00 PM »

How does Grafs own BP compare to GOEX? It's even more affordable than GOEX...

Robin Henderson · « **Reply #16 on:** April 01, 2019, 04:01:56 PM »

Quote from: taco650 on April 01, 2019, 01:34:00 PM

How does Grafs own BP compare to GOEX? It's even more affordable than GOEX...

Grafs is Wano powder from Germany. Its good looking powder but, in my experience, not quite as strong as GOEX.

HelmutKutz · « **Reply #17 on:** April 05, 2019, 01:44:29 AM »

The last time I purchased FF Goex it weighted with fines. When I called to question the quality, I was told bluntly that Goes does not make enough on the sporting powder for it to be a concern. I began using Schuetzen for muzzleloaders and cartridges. Performance proven. Swiss I also use for some loads but majority Schuetzen.
HK

Black Jack · « **Reply #18 on:** April 05, 2019, 06:19:44 PM »

I have used Goex for years with good results. My most recent purchase was a case of Old Eynsford, the premium powder from Goex. The price difference from my distributor was negligible, about fifty cents per pound. I haven't shot a great deal of it but so far it looks to be a very good powder. I have never seen any other powder priced low enough to make me want to try it, and, to be honest, I'm not a championship level shooter that would make paying such a high price for Swiss to make it worthwhile. Can't go wrong with Goex or OE.

ron w · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2019, 11:36:13 PM »

if you think practice doesn't make perfect, go talk to some of world's leading archery shooters.

Gary W.E. · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2019, 03:51:44 AM »

I shoot Goex at the practice range because when it shoots, it is as good as any powder out there. I have a problem that it does not fire as consistant in my gun. I use Swiss powder during matches and don't have the issues. It is more expensive so that is why I usually don't practice with it.

OldMtnMan · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2019, 04:38:55 PM »

Quote from: Hungry Horse on March 31, 2019, 03:42:29 AM

IMO, poor accuracy almost always has it root cause in lack of practice. That being said almost nobody will admit that they don’t practice much,or in some cases at all. So they blame it on patches, bullets, and powder, along with triggers, lock time, and heaven knows what else. I’ve been to shoots where people were shooting guns that were much inferior to most of the guns on the line, but they finished in the money, for one reason alone, they shoot their gun a lot.
If you shoot a lot you naturally discover what your gun prefers. If you don’t shoot a lot you will likely wind up with a storage unit full of stuff that was supposed to be the answer, and you still won’t be able to hit a Buffalo in the but with a bass fiddle.

Hungry Horse

I don't agree. Some guys are lousy shots no matter how much they practice. They're even worse under the pressure of competition or having a big buck/bull in their sights.

smokinbuck · « **Reply #22 on:** April 06, 2019, 06:05:06 PM »

No question that practice "should" improve a shooters ability to shoot well. I believe it is also his/her mental attitude that makes a BIG difference in performance. Powder and equipment aside, many shooters beat themselves before they get to the line. In my case, and I'm not a champion grade shooter, if I'm up against a much better shooter it makes me try a little harder and makes me a little better. There is a difference in powders and equipment but in most cases not enough to be noticed by the average shooter.
Mark

yulzari · « **Reply #23 on:** April 06, 2019, 07:53:24 PM »

Where do you folk get the Curtis & Harvey powder? The real stuff has not been made for nigh on 40 years.

Daryl · « **Reply #24 on:** April 06, 2019, 09:30:31 PM »

I haven't seen C&H powders since about 1978.

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Author Topic: So what's wrong with Goex powder (Read 3879 times)

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