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Late flint English rifle for Tony
« on: April 09, 2019, 09:54:45 PM »
Hi,
Boy, this gun took much, much longer than I ever anticipated.  So many details to learn and try to get right.  Anyway, it is done. The barrel is 54 cal straight tapered from Charlie Burton. The lock is a heavily modified and improved Davis late flintlock. The trigger guard was made from a standard cast steel English guard from TOW. The butt plate is iron from an original 19th century gun. The nose cap is ebony and the ramrod tip is horn. All of the hardware on the stock was engraved and charcoal blued.  The breech of 4140 steel was made by my neighbor and charcoal blued. The standing breech was made from a cast steel one copied from an original and sold by TRS. The stock is English walnut from Ron Scott, stained mostly with powdered alkanet root infused in mineral spirits (my own blend).  The finish is Sutherland-Welles polymerized tung oil. It is a bit glossier in the photos than in real life. It was a real challenge because the workmanship on these guns was only the best. I think I got it right but then I have been too close to it for so long that my objectivity is not reliable.  Enjoy.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2019, 10:07:29 PM »
Wow....that a beautiful rifle by any standard, but one of the nicer I have seen in the style.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2019, 10:12:26 PM »
WoW!!!  I think you reached the high craftsmanship state. Love the wood and metal  finish, looks great together. When you get a  chance a bit more explanation on the type of breech plug, please. Great Job!! Steve

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2019, 10:51:50 PM »
The barrel looks browned while the rest looks blued?  Am I seeing that correctly?

I am not an expert on flint rifles like this, is this common?

As always, it is a great looking rifle.

Thanks

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2019, 11:52:58 PM »
Wow, I love it. I am some what partial to English style guns and yours is truly great. Cross over checkering at the wrist is super, how many lines per inch is it? Fit, finish and engraving top notch. From the photos it looks like it will balance nicely and swing like a good shotgun on any running shots. Thanks for letting us see it.   :)  Smylee

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2019, 12:53:10 AM »
a very nice rifle--thanks for posting
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2019, 01:40:59 AM »
 Smart Dog.
    All your stuff is great including this one. However I think the finish is too shiny. Also gold line the pan If it isn't too late. Just my opinion though. 
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2019, 02:25:01 AM »
Dave that is truly gorgeous work! Your examples are an inspiration, and -maybe- one day I can improve from "The Wood Butcher of Yorkshire" by emulating your work.

I'm curious about the internal design of the breech...is it "chambered" somehow like a Nock's Patent breech?

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2019, 03:00:57 AM »
Love it, Dave!  Especially the checkering.  Tell me, what angle does the checkering cross at?  In one view, it looks like 90 deg, in another a lesser crossing angle.
Splendid firearm, with a splendid finish - "Tony" is sure getting a great one!
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2019, 03:12:40 AM »
Hi Folks and thanks for looking,
Let me answer some questions raised. The breech is a simple powder chamber, not a Nock breech. Here are some photos: 


The powder chamber is about 0.375" in diameter and the bottom is radiused and polished. The White Lightning vent liner is positioned at the very rear of the chamber. The mouth of the chamber is funneled. The idea is to provide the efficient powder ignition of a chambered breech, which increases the force of a given charge,  but also make it easy to clean. The 4140 steel is very tough so the breech should be very strong.  I do not believe, with modern powder, there is any significant advantage to a true Nock breech. I have not shot the gun yet so I will see if my decision is a good one.  Most English guns of that period had some form of chambered breech (not always Nock's design) so, perhaps, I will learn why when I shoot the gun.

The barrel is browned in contrast to the breech. An original English rifle from this period would have a stub twist barrel. Those barrels would be browned. the breech color case hardened or charcoal blued. I learned a lot here, mostly from some old British technical journals. I wanted the reddish brown found on those great stub twist barrels.   
I learned the color was not feasible for modern steel barrels. With twist barrels, the old makers used just 4 or 5 cycles of browning, which left a very red finish but uneven. That was not a problem because of the marbled effect of the stub twist. The uneven brown look like a feature not a bug.  On a modern steel barrels, that uneven reddish brown looks like an uneven browning.  When you do more coats of browning to even the color, you inevitably get a darker, more plum brown. I learned how to keep most of the red color during browning but it was a learning process.

JerryH, the finish is actually not that glossy. The low angle light and snow still prevalent here in Vermont  accentuates the glare in ambient light. In  neutral light, it looks very much like the semi-gloss finish on original British guns from the period.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2019, 03:14:11 AM »
Hi Carl,
60 degrees.  That seems to be common on these early checkered guns.  Lower angles like 45 and 30, are more modern.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2019, 03:41:16 AM »
Really outstanding rifle Dave!!  Smylee was asking how many lines per inch Dave, not the cutter angle...ie:  16, 18, etc
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2019, 03:48:00 AM »
Outstanding!
It makes me wonder who or what person of the period would have owned this and for what? Would it be an often handled seldom fired piece? I see the engraved bears head. Like a period piece it has a story, it looks purposeful and filled with lots of questions.
Beautiful.


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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2019, 03:54:28 AM »
You can call me Tony if you like.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2019, 04:17:29 AM »
Beautiful, hope it will be used, maybe a “Sunday gun”.
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2019, 04:22:25 AM »
Hi Taylor,
Sorry, I forgot that.  Sixteen lines per inch and 60 degree cutters initially, with light recutting with 90 degree cutters.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2019, 04:22:36 AM »
Stunning is the descriptive I can come up with Dave. Especially love all the metal work and have enjoyed you sharing that progress with us.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2019, 04:23:58 AM »
Hi Kent,
Are you kidding?  This gun is no wall hanger. I guarantee, with respect to fit and function,  it will put most long rifles to shame. This gun will be Tony's primary deer hunting rifle.

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2019, 04:46:42 AM »
Dave,
I always look real hard at your work, and it looks Just Right to me!

Not saying I can do this work I Can't!...but I can tell if it looks right and it does.
Only thing that May have been seen on a rifle of this quality, is the inset breech.

It is nice to see the somewhat early type of hook to the breech.  all very nice work, and lovely colours!
Again,
Lovely work!!

Carl Young,
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I thought that was me!

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2019, 05:17:56 AM »
 Yeah. I agree with Dave.  That is a hunting gun supreme.
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2019, 06:38:04 AM »
Carl Young,
You mention "The wood butcher of Yorkshire";
I thought that was me!

It is a non-inheritable title from my English ancestor ;), and commonly applied to me by a colleague originally from York Minster. My English immigrant ancestor was Dr. Woodson who with wife Sarah arrived in Jamestown in April 1619...400 years ago this month.
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2019, 08:03:06 AM »
Simply gorgeous Dave!  Exemplary work to be admired for certain.  Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2019, 12:05:13 PM »
It is a non-inheritable title from my English ancestor ;), and commonly applied to me by a colleague originally from York Minster. My English immigrant ancestor was Dr. Woodson who with wife Sarah arrived in Jamestown in April 1619...400 years ago this month.Carl
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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2019, 01:40:20 PM »
Dave, amazing level of craftsmanship!

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Re: Late flint English rifle for Tony
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2019, 01:41:04 PM »
Very authentic 19th century rifle. Absolutely stunning. Would love to see it in the flesh.
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