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Offline Cades Cove Fiddler

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... Fusil, Trade-gun, Shotgun,...????
« on: May 06, 2019, 08:49:15 PM »
 ??? ??? ???... I do not know a thing about guns with a smooth iron pipe for a barrel,.... I know Tennessee Mountain Rifles, and that's about it,....However,... a local fellow recently contacted me about an "old flintlock gun" that had been passed down through his family for several generations.... I thought,..."BINGO",...!!! ... family has owned the same land since 1814,... so I go to see this gun and here is what I found,... some kind of smooth bore,... Kirkman & Ellis period replacement lock, but rest of gun is original,... Told the feller I would see what I could find out, so would appreciate anything you smooth-bore fellers can tell me,... all comments appreciated,.... Regards,... Cades Cove Fiddler.....  (left click will enlarge pix)











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Offline Seth Isaacson

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Re: ... Fusil, Trade-gun, Shotgun,...????
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2019, 10:45:47 PM »
Last image is kind of blurry, but I can make out 1813 or late Birmingham proofs. Often the marking in between there are the initials of the gun/barrel maker. Gun overall looks like what you might expect of an export from Birmingham in the early 19th century.
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Re: ... Fusil, Trade-gun, Shotgun,...????
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 01:08:16 AM »
The side plate, butt plate extension or tang, and the trigger guard are similar, but not exactly like those seen on Chief's Grade trade guns.  The Chief's Grade trade guns usually have an octagon to round barrel, also.  Another difference is the Chief's Grade trade gun usually had a thumb piece inlet on the top of the wrist.

It would be interesting to see the stock profile from the butt to the lock panels.

This may be an inexpensive English fowler that fit between the Northwest trade gun and the Chief's Grade trade gun.

The Ketlands of England were making fowlers that ranged from inexpensive to fine and exporting them to America before and after the War of 1812.  The engraving on the brass parts and shape of the front finial on the trigger guard match what one often sees on some of the lower priced Ketland fowlers and pistols.
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Re: ... Fusil, Trade-gun, Shotgun,...????
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 07:15:13 PM »
It's interesting how they poured in lead to make that lock fit.
Never seen that before. Looks like it got the surrounding wood pretty hot. :o ???
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