New Nock lock

[T*O*F]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.  Curtis and myself stopped to chat with Liston Rice at Friendship.  He showed us the prototype for a new Nock flint lock that he will be producing.  It's a beauty.  It will only be offered thru one dealer whom he has yet to pick.  That dealer will have exclusive rights to sell it with the understanding that Liston will only make direct sales himself at Friendship and the CLA show.  Retail will be between $250 and $300 and worth every penny.  He will be doing all the assembly himself.

[rich pierce]

Sounds exciting.

I gotta say it because it’s so tempting. Don’t Nock it till you’ve tried it.

[WadePatton]

Interested as I have the Nock that Tip Curtis was selling a few years back--maybe yet is.  It's on my deer gun.

[Justin Urbantas]

Do you have any pictures??

[EC121]

If it is the same lock, LC Rice had the prototype at the Knoxville show in April.  He said it will be a while before they have it on the market. 

[Curtis]

TOF is telling it right, the prototype that Liston had at Friendship was one fine looking, smooth lock.  Neither one of us had anything with us to take a picture, not sure he would have been agreeable that that yet anyway.  He was hoping to have production locks ready for sale at the CLA show in August.  If he has them at the show I will not be able to resist the urge to purchase one. 

Curtis

[R.J.Bruce]

Is there a waiting list that one may be put on for one of these locks?

If so, who does one get in touch with to be put on the list?

Thanks,
               R.J.Bruce

[Bob Roller]

I wonder if these locks are made from the moulds I gave to
Les Barber and Larry Zornes at the Gun&Mould Shop??
Bob Roller

[Mike Brooks]

I hope they work as well as the Original  Nock locks I have had over the years.

[sdilts]

The moulds were made by Liston. I didn't know there was so much to making a mould. Very impressive.

[Bob Roller]

The fitting of the internal parts and most important at least
to me are the mainsprings,the taper and preloading are the
things critical.I have had possibly more experience with these
springs than most if not all on this forum.I still have ONE set
of external parts for the Nock I sent to a German shop for a
Boutete target pistol project.I saw one last Fall at Friendship
that I made in 1980 and it was still working like new.The owner
was Helmut Mohr who got most of them.

Bob Roller

[alacran]

I spent quite a while talking to Mr. Rice about this lock and also the set triggers that he had at Friendship.  I always enjoy my conversations with him. He explained he was still making minor tweeks, like a different cock screw, and other minor details. I asked them if the production locks were going to be of this quality. He assured me that they would since his brother would be assembling them. He also told me the price would be in the $225 range. 
I have to canvas my friends back East to see who is going to the C.l.A. show.  So they can pick one up for me. If he does have them available I am ceartain he will sell out whatever he brings.
Outstanding lock.

[sdilts]

I talked to Jason at Rice Barrels today. He said he has had several calls about the lock. So, I thought I would remind everybody that Rice Barrels has nothing to do with this project. This is strictly a Liston Rice thing. We'll just have to wait for Liston to put out more info regarding availability.

[Bob Roller]

I certainly wish Liston all possible success with this Nock lock.Lynton McKenzie
took one off a double barrel smoothbore for me to study when I started on the
project for the German shop in 1978 and it was a big help.I had obtained the
moulds for the plate,cock and frizzen from TOW and because Helmut Mohr paid
the foundry he got almost all of them from the first run.Several years ago I gave
them to Larry Zornes and Les Barber and told them to do whatever they wanted
with them.
Last month while at Friendship Liston told me he used a foundry in Arkansas
that did good work and would accept short runs so we will see and I hope
this is a good,problem free lock he comes up with.
Bob Roller

[Gunnermike]

"I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.  Curtis and myself stopped to chat with Liston Rice at Friendship.  He showed us the prototype for a new Nock flint lock that he will be producing.  It's a beauty.  It will only be offered thru one dealer whom he has yet to pick.  Retail will be between $250 and $300 and worth every penny."

"Do you have any pictures?? "

Does the Nock lock look like this??  If it does, I'll take 3 please.



  Mike

[smart dog]

Hi,
I hope its not and doubt it will be one of Nock's screwless locks.

dave

[Curtis]

The lock had a waterproof pan, it looked similar to a nice Twigg lock or such.

Curtis

[Gunnermike]

Quote: "I hope its not and doubt it will be one of Nock's screwless locks." -- Just pullin' yer tail Smart Dog!

So this new Nock lock is going to be more along the lines of this pistol lock from Henry Nock:



Henry Nock died in 1804 (age 63), but I've never seen a Nock lock on an American rifle.  He made English fowlers, muskets, rifles, pistols, and locks for naval cannons and I doubt he had time to supply locks to the American trade, am I right?  What say you?   Mike

[hen]

In their day, Nock locks would have been far too expensive for the American trade.

[Bob Roller]

In their day, Nock locks would have been far too expensive for the American trade.

There is NO good reason they should be cheap today if close attention
is paid to the fine detailing done to these old ones.There are VW's and then
there are Maybach V12's.The same analogy can apply to locks as well.
Bob Roller

[Ezra]

Like others have said here, I would dearly love to see photos of Listons prototype Nock.


Ez

[WadePatton]

Here's my first Nock lock, after some tweaks and few years on my deer rifle.  Tip Curtis was the source. Apologies for the lighting.

[longcruise]

Quote: "I hope its not and doubt it will be one of Nock's screwless locks." -- Just pullin' yer tail Smart Dog!

So this new Nock lock is going to be more along the lines of this pistol lock from Henry Nock:



Henry Nock died in 1804 (age 63), but I've never seen a Nock lock on an American rifle.  He made English fowlers, muskets, rifles, pistols, and locks for naval cannons and I doubt he had time to supply locks to the American trade, am I right?  What say you?   Mike

Is the fence acting as a stop for the cock

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

That lock has what is referred to as a French cock. And yes, the fence stops the cock's forward fall.

[Bob Roller]

That cock and using the flash fence for a brake has NO appeal to me at all.
Appearance is beautiful but has it been tested for a long string of shots.
The main reason so many of these superb relics survive in fine condition
is due to little or no use and were mostly owner prestige items.
Many years ago I saw a fine pistol at Farris's Gun Shop in Portsmouth,Ohio
and it had one of these locks that was beat up and the bridle internally was
broken from being over rode by the tumbler.I would approach reproducing this
type of lock with extreme caution for today's shooter who may fire it 500 times
or more a year.
Bob Roller