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Offline Hungry Horse

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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2019, 09:31:07 PM »
I hate to tell you guys this, but one of the best shooting muzzleloaders I ever shot was so far beyond just average ugly that when I fell heir to it, I didnít even shoot it before I sold it. I shot it about a year later at the local gun clubs range, and have been trying to buy it back ever since. It had a birch Civil War rifle stock blank from Dixie, stain green with chromium trioxide, and cut off to half stock, with about a two pound lead nose cap. It also had a barrel from Dixie designed to convert a trapdoor Springfield into a muzzleloader. The rest of the hardware was hand forged out of most likely old manurespreader parts, and old spam cans. It shot groups I can only dream of.


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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2019, 04:09:48 PM »
My first gun.  Not a single operation went correctly.  I feel stuck with this little smoothbore that occurred when I tried to merge a Little Feller with a .54 smoothbore barrel.
Cross pins were coming out in different zip codes, I can't get rid of that stupid carving just in front of the lock and behind the rear thimble, the butt plate would probably fit better upside down, and I had to put this absurdly wide patchbox lid on just to replace the hideous brass one I tried to make after watching the Hershel House video.  Should have kidnapped him.



The REAL problem happens when  a Frankenrifle like this shoots like the blazes.  Go figure

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2019, 04:17:20 PM »
The REAL problem happens when  a Frankenrifle like this shoots like the blazes.  Go figure

Apparently "ugly" rifles try harder.  ;)

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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2019, 09:41:56 PM »
The REAL problem happens when  a Frankenrifle like this shoots like the blazes.  Go figure

Apparently "ugly" rifles try harder.  ;)



Kinda like the ugly wife being the best cook.
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2019, 12:39:00 AM »
Are the ugly rifles teased, bullied, and shunned by the pretty rifles in the rifle rack at the end of a days shoot at the club??

Do they need therapy??

How about a national support group?? 

URA

Ugly Rifles Anonymous

Do they appear on The Jerry Springer Show complaining about their owner's lack of artistic ability??

When they take the lie detector test, do they lie about Ugly Rifle No. 2 being their offspring??

Do they attack the pretty rifles, and have to be restrained by security??

Does the audience boo them, or cheer them??

Do they return home in shame, only to be consumed by wood borers and rust, never to shoot again??

These are the questions we must ask ourselves.

What part did we play in our Ugly Rifle's demise??
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 01:02:38 AM by R.J.Bruce »

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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2019, 01:26:58 AM »
Life is short.
Don't waste your time shooting ugly rifles.
Simple, plain, and without embellishments doesn't mean ugly.
Simple, plain, and without embellishments made with a high quality lock, stock and barrel can be beautiful.
This is an example.
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Offline David R.

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« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2019, 02:01:05 AM »
All mine fall into this category.
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Offline Eric Krewson

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« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2019, 03:50:41 PM »
The rifle I treasure the most is was given to me by a dying friend, I suspect it was someone's first build from the early 70s.

Nothing was done right on this gun, lots of epoxy to fill sloppy inlets, the pins are finishing nails with the heads left on and go in one place and out in places that makes you wonder how the holes were drilled, most have multiple holes.

The lock panel make you really wonder about the guy who built it, I understand his name was Art Vandrervogle, he booked hunts in Africa for the likes of Fred Bear.



But... If you couple a Roller lock with a Bill Large barrel and put them in the finest wood I have ever seen you get something special, warts and all.



It is also a one hole shooter at 50 yards and has put many, many deer in my freezer.



Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2019, 04:00:24 PM »
Just a footnote; I was shooting an archery tournament with a friend a year or so ago, he mentioned meeting a guy who was interested in archery at an airport terminal (I think). The guy said his late dad used to book hunts for Fred Bear in Africa, the son's last name was Vandervogle. It wasn't until my friend mentioned the last name to me that I told him the story about the rifle, small world.
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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2019, 04:08:04 PM »
Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. We all have different likes and dislikes.

I won't call fancy grained wood as ugly but I don't like it. Give me plain wood, no brass or flash of any kind and no engraving. Browned steel is what I like.

An ugly gun to me is one that isn't accurate.
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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2019, 06:10:34 PM »
Methinks my ugly gun is pretty from most angles.  The uglies are mostly re-worked, gone-or fixed/hidden.  From one or two angles there are errors glaring (to folks like us).  The non-shooting public "ooh and aaah" over the modest curly maple and the sleek lines of any decent longrifle.  I get a kick out of that.   And it helps me "quit freaking out" over the little stuff. 

The best solution to an ugly gun is to make another gun-less ugly. 

Rinse, repeat as necessary.
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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2019, 12:38:10 AM »
WadePatten...The best solution to an ugly gun is to make another gun-less ugly.

Yup

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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2019, 09:24:59 PM »
My guns aren't "ugly", IMHO; but they (actually, maybe three at most) are kinda plain, sorta like a girlfriend's spinster sister....who knows how to cook.....and shoot...and keep toes warm.... 8)
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« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2019, 10:01:05 PM »
My first gun would have shot itself if it could  ;D

Offline Craig Wilcox

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« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2019, 11:18:32 PM »
Capgun, read your description of your "ugly gun", and it took me over an hour to stop laughing so hard I couldn't type!

Eric also had me laughing at the exploits of Vandervogle and Fred Bear.  And his archery friend.

You guys are all great, even the infamous Muskrat Mike.  Tis a pleasure to be in the company of great people like I find here.  Maintain my sense of humor while I chop maple into splinters and wonder if I can weld that barrel strong enough.
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2019, 11:20:17 PM »
Craig: Th"Muskrat" is pleased you enjoy our opinions (right and wrong) and sense of humor.
The "Muskrat" has spoken.
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Offline OldMtnMan

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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2019, 03:27:45 PM »
I have to ask Mike. What's with your love for Muskrats?
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2019, 08:11:37 PM »
OldMtnMan:
Years ago like most of us, other shooters chose my "shooting name". Living out here in the far Western USA I wore lots of fur (Rocky Mountain Fur Trapper). I was given the handle "MuskratMike" and it stuck. Still have a muskrat pelt sewed onto the strap of my shooting bag, and always will even though my persona has changed to the late 1700's long Hunter or market hunter.
How about you?
This could be the start of an interesting new topic: shooting names and stories behind them!
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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2019, 10:26:44 PM »
They just call me old mountain man. :)
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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2019, 11:02:31 PM »
A feller I know had a rifle so ugly that he took it outside and shot it!  Sorry, couldn't resist.  8)
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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2019, 02:08:29 AM »
Okay, that's funny I don't care who you are!
Hanshi: if "The Muskrat" ever finds himself in the great state of Main I am going to have to look you up.
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« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2019, 04:47:17 PM »
I don't think you'll ever find yourself in Main. :)

I know, I know. Correcting spelling means I'm an idiot.
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« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2019, 07:48:01 PM »
The rein in maine falls manely on the plane. :P
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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2019, 11:22:02 PM »
The rein in maine falls manely on the plane. :P



How about: The rain in Maine falls mainly as snow?
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Re: non museum quality rifle
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2019, 10:44:17 PM »
My first gun.  Not a single operation went correctly.  I feel stuck with this little smoothbore that occurred when I tried to merge a Little Feller with a .54 smoothbore barrel.
Cross pins were coming out in different zip codes, I can't get rid of that stupid carving just in front of the lock and behind the rear thimble, the butt plate would probably fit better upside down, and I had to put this absurdly wide patchbox lid on just to replace the hideous brass one I tried to make after watching the Hershel House video.  Should have kidnapped him.

I am laughing so @!*% hard at your tale I nearly lost bladder control!
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