JUST THE WAY I DID IT, Take a 12" long brass rod that just slides down the barrel,slid it down the barrel,now take a soft lead slug/round ball and drive it into the barrel about 4",NOW turn the rifle upside down and shake it up and down ,like your churning butter. The brass rod will slide up and down driving the slug out and the brass rod will come out to.Now take a Micrometer and measure the slug/round ball.Easy as that," Told to me by a 95 year old Master Gunsmith" Worked slick as a smelt. and you do not have to go to all the extra of pulling the breech plug .K.I.S.S.