Author Topic: Fake Hawken just sold for $12,000 (Read 8991 times)

cshirsch · « **on:** July 27, 2019, 10:46:21 PM »

I can't believe that just happened! A completely fake Hawken just went for $12,000!!!!!!

mountainman70 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2019, 11:19:21 PM »

Good Lord, tell me more/ Dave

Eric Kettenburg · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2019, 11:42:14 PM »

I have no idea what specific piece you're referencing but I'm not surprised at all. This has been going on for years and years. Once something is sold at a legitimate price - whether the item is legitimate or not - it then becomes legitimate. And don't dare you tell the buyer otherwise.

Cades Cove Fiddler · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2019, 12:05:31 AM »

... Been watching on & off,... saw this one sell, too,... generic cap rifles and Lemans are going cheap,....

cshirsch · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2019, 12:12:38 AM »

It is a New York rifle. The S. HAWKEN stamp is totally bogus!!!!

Anonymous · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2019, 12:39:39 AM »

Quote from: cshirsch on July 27, 2019, 10:46:21 PM

I can't believe that just happened! A completely fake Hawken just went for $12,000!!!!!!

Ok, fake Hawken just sold for $12k.

Sold where? Sold when? Listed by? No link to auction/sales site? Without more info, some could call this claim completely fake.

Quote from: cshirsch on July 28, 2019, 12:12:38 AM

It is a New York rifle. The S. HAWKEN stamp is totally bogus!!!!

Where is photo of this bogus ‘S. HAWKEN’ stamp?

cshirsch · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2019, 01:00:02 AM »

https://holabirdamericana.liveauctiongroup.com/S-Hawken-Rifle-1850s-JMD-10068_i33856352

120RIR · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2019, 02:08:08 AM »

Reading the previous posts I couldn't resist but to stare at the train wreck. What I know about Hawkens...well, actually I know nothing about Hawkens but that stamp is shockingly bad. It's even worse when you consider that at least two bidders thought it was legit.

Eric Kettenburg · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2019, 02:36:48 AM »

Followed the link. Wow. I have a very hard time believing that a genuine buyer ran that up to 12K.

Hungry Horse · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:30:33 AM »

Heck that thing isn’t even a good replica.

Hungry Horse

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:38:18 AM »

I gotta get me one of those Hawken stamps and start making some genuine Hawkenhiemer guns. That's where the good money is!

Taylorz1 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2019, 12:08:11 PM »

I thought that gun would sell for $400. Unbelievable. So unbelievable I wonder if there was some shill bidding ? Been a long time since I saw an auction with such bad pics and bad descriptions

Bob Roller · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:54:25 PM »

Quote from: Mike Brooks on July 28, 2019, 03:38:18 AM

I gotta get me one of those Hawken stamps and start making some genuine Hawkenhiemer guns. That's where the good money is!

Barnum was RIGHT!I think TOW has those stamps in their catalog.
Tom Dawson had the one FROM the Hawken shop/Gemmer Estate
but he also identified his copies on the bottom flat of the barrel
There os an OHIO rifle in our Huntington Museum of Art that has
the Hawken name stamped with the same style of stencils I use
on my locks and triggers.Several years ago all the gun cases were opened
for periodic cleaning and I got a GOOD look at this rifle and told the
curator it was bogus but she didn't seem to care. It was high enough
in the display case so only an uncommonly tall person might see that
bit of fakery.

Bob Roller

WadePatton · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2019, 04:51:07 PM »

Just because folks have money to spend

doesn't make them smart with it.

cshirsch · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2019, 05:30:10 PM »

The letters were individually stamped with modern dies.

Anonymous · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2019, 08:50:04 PM »

Quote from: cshirsch on July 28, 2019, 05:30:10 PM

The letters were individually stamped with modern dies.

Agree about letters, definitely are in a modern looking font and not consistent with other S. Hawken stamped barrels. Also appears done at a different time than the word ‘steel’ next to it, plus looks to have been worked with a stone or file. Wonder if the word ‘steel’ is part of a ‘cast steel’ stamp from the late 1800s?

Anyway, almost looks like the S. Hawken stamp was added by a kid. Did any of us ever scratch something like DB or maybe DC into our Red Ryders after watching a TV show??

Gunnermike · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:49:00 PM »

Here's a photo of the 'Hawken' rifle from the auction (I rotated the photo so you won't get a crook in your neck trying to read 'S.Hawken') You'll have to click on the image & enlarge it to be able to read the stamping. At least he didn't spell Hawken with an 'i' - as in 'hawkin'.

P.T. Barnum was right - 'there is a sucker born every minute". Now where did I leave that CVA Mountain Rifle.........

Mike

dogbest · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2019, 10:48:05 PM »

Is the adjustable sight on the gun a modern sight?

Marcruger · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2019, 11:58:42 PM »

It appears that there was an additional $3,000 buyer premium.

oldtravler61 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2019, 04:18:31 AM »

Well golly geeze...maybe there's big money for my T.C. Hawkings after all. Now where did I put my stains, files and stamps...money to be made here..!! Yeah think...? Maybe not...Oldtravler

lexington1 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2019, 05:05:40 AM »

I saw that too, and thought oh dear Lord...….

cshirsch · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2019, 04:14:03 PM »

cshirsch · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2019, 04:16:11 PM »

Yes, 'CAST STEEL'. That is a New York made rifle and they used cast steel barrels at times.

Quote from: Gunnermike on July 28, 2019, 09:49:00 PM

Here's a photo of the 'Hawken' rifle from the auction (I rotated the photo so you won't get a crook in your neck trying to read 'S.Hawken') You'll have to click on the image & enlarge it to be able to read the stamping. At least he didn't spell Hawken with an 'i' - as in 'hawkin'.

P.T. Barnum was right - 'there is a sucker born every minute". Now where did I leave that CVA Mountain Rifle.........

Mike

Roger B · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2019, 07:44:36 PM »

J M Davis auction?
Roger B.

Mike Lyons · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2019, 08:45:57 PM »

Quote from: Mike Brooks on July 28, 2019, 03:38:18 AM

I gotta get me one of those Hawken stamps and start making some genuine Hawkenhiemer guns. That's where the good money is!

Do that, square up your profile and make your cheek piece a little wonky. $100,000 guns all day long!!!

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