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Offline Oil Derek

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1st Group- Kibler .54
« on: April 19, 2020, 09:10:19 PM »
Promising! This after fouling shot (3.5" left). Proper 2nd 5 shot group was .1" bigger but with different power charge and patch thickness.

Considering the sights were "fuzzy" I think it is a shooter!




Offline Daniel Coats

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2020, 09:29:09 PM »
That'll work 👍

Nice group!
Dan

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2020, 10:51:00 PM »
Keep working on it. It's good for a first target. You rifle should do that (or better) at 50yards.
I measured the oxyoke .018" patches at .015". I didn't have any of their .020"s so do not know
 what they measure for me.
I would think a .54 Rice barrel should start shooting well at about 75 to 85gr. Swiss 2F - at longer ranges.
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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2020, 11:03:45 PM »
Was this with the standard flat bottom rifling or the round bottom rifling?

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2020, 11:20:43 PM »
Was this with the standard flat bottom rifling or the round bottom rifling?

Frank, it is square/flat cut .

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2020, 11:43:19 PM »
Trying again as system just ate my last post!

Thanks Daniel & Dayrl.

Lots of variables to keep after in developing a load but perhaps the most costly one, that I can't control, is my detrimental eye sight.

Dayrl, the Ox-Yoke dry lube patching is spot on at .020" but under compression it measures .016". I used your WWWF formula soaking wet- I call it Smurf Spit. Only recovered a few patches as the snow had burned off and a brisk crosswind didn't help. They looked fine.

This 2nd target isn't as good. I changed to 70 gr. Swiss FF and used duck patching (Jo-Anns) which measures .023 under hard compression of my calipers.

I realize that only 10 shots and 2 targets don't speak authoritatively. For the first go, I am reasonably pleased.




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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2020, 12:07:57 AM »
You might consider giving the crown a nice smooth polish and go up in ball size to 535 with the same .023 patch.

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2020, 12:58:18 AM »
You might consider giving the crown a nice smooth polish and go up in ball size to 535 with the same .023 patch.

Smylee, the muzzle was "coned" by the builder and the .016" patched .530" RB can be thumb started flush into the muzzle ... just barely. The rifling is very crisp and visible about .045" in from the muzzle. I could not do that with the .023" patched ball. In fact, I had to use a short starter and SS range rod to to drive that combo. The first load I could thumb start and then use the hickory rod to seat the ball. I do have and will play with .535" RB too.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2020, 01:01:25 AM by Oil Derek »

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2020, 03:04:51 AM »
Nice group at 35y. Thatís where 90% of my deer shots are. Heart shot every time here on the farm. Iíd go out to 75 And shoot all possible combos to see what the best possible is but if thatís your range itís a great group.

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2020, 05:08:36 AM »
#4 shot is out of the 1" group. IT happens. This is much more promising than the soft-ball group, to me.
Interesting on the .016" measurement. Seems some of their .018" got labeled .020".
A square bottomed Rice barrel should do well with the .023" patching.
For hunting, you need to use and sight for an oil or grease.
Daryl

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2020, 05:20:57 AM »
Thanks Bob. Make shift bench at make shift range at the farm. I actually shot from inside the Line shack out left side Dutch doors. At least I didn't have to endure the wind with the wood stove burning! As the Brits would say, I'll go to a "proper" range and dope it out at 75-100 yards at some point. For now I'm looking for a ragged hole group at 35 yards.

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2020, 05:36:05 AM »

Interesting on the .016" measurement. Seems some of their .018" got labeled .020".
For hunting, you need to use and sight for an oil or grease.

Just to be clear, the Ox-Yoke patches were marked as .020" and do measure .020" under normal use of calipers. But they measure .016" with as much pressure as I can exert with said calipers. Likewise, the duck measures .027"/.023".

I have 100% Neatsfoot oil and a tin of mink oil for developing a hunting load. Both thanks to you ... much obliged.

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Re: 1st Group- Kibler .54
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2020, 09:06:47 AM »
Donít tell but Iíve been using store-bough Ox-Yoke ďpiller tickinĒ patches lately and Iíve found them quite good. Track sells the nude ones for $3 and change for 100.

Itís advertised as 0.18Ē but with a tightly compressed calipers (how I was taught to measure patching) it mikes at about 0.15Ē or so. Works well for me.