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Offline Rick Sheets

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Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« on: July 29, 2009, 04:38:03 PM »
I am still processing my trip to Dixon's. 
Thank goodness for digital cameras. I can catch stuff later that I missed with my eyes.
Here is a picture of a Roger's Rangers display. Very well done. I liked the portable trestle table too!

Does anybody know the group who put this together and possibly the provenance for the uniform?

Thanks!

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2009, 04:47:13 PM »
That might have been Gene Baldwin from

http://www.susquehannarangers.com/

They were there in 2007 and offered us a place to get out of the rain.  They set up up the hill from Tom and Rich.

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2009, 07:00:24 PM »
I am almost positive that is William Funkhouser's display.  He had that uniform at Lewisburg this year.
He has a page on Scott Shea's website.  Go to the site and look under links.  His contact information is there along with some examples of his work.

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2009, 12:01:16 AM »
To my knowledge, there is no documentation that describes a Rogers Rangers uniform, during the F&I period. The sources I have read indicate that the Rangers were uniformed only one time in 1758, if I remember correctly, so they probably would have worn civilian clothing most of the time.

IMHO, any attempt at recreating an F&I Ranger uniform is done through pure speculation.

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2009, 01:10:24 AM »
To my knowledge, there is no documentation that describes a Rogers Rangers uniform, during the F&I period. The sources I have read indicate that the Rangers were uniformed only one time in 1758, if I remember correctly, so they probably would have worn civilian clothing most of the time.

IMHO, any attempt at recreating an F&I Ranger uniform is done through pure speculation.

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  Wouldn't that date fall right in the middle of the F & I war?

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2009, 02:01:14 AM »
Rogers did design a uniform for the rangers which included a short coat in green with green facings, but the rangers were probably usually dress like a civilian frontier hunter. Apparently all the rangers in each company were to be dress alike in the civilian wear. There is just a vague description of the uniform that Rogers designed.  Here are two period accounts for their uniforms:

Terms on which the three Ranging Companys are to be raised for His Majestyıs Service under the Command of Capts Humphrey Hobbs & Thomas Speaksmam. [Albany, May 14th, 1756] "...A good hunting Coat, Vest, Breeches, a Shirt, a pair of Indian Stockings, Shoes and a Hatchet to be delivered [to] each man gratis at Albany - A firelock and Blanket to be Delivered Each Man at Boston, the firelock to be returned at the End of the Service."

John Earl Loudoun to Capt Robert Rogers, New York, 11 January 1757 "...augment the Rangers with five additional Companies...each company to consist of one Captain, two Lts, One Ensign, four Sergeants and one hundred privates... They are likewise to provide themselves with good warm clothing which must be uniform in every company, ...And the Company of Indians to be dressed in all respects in true Indian fashion..."

When mentioned that Capts Humphrey Hobbs & Thomas iSpeaksmam would be in command of ranger units Rogers had already previously been appointed Captain of Rangers.  

Likely as not they wore pull over hunting shirts over another regular shirt,  breeches, shoes or moccassions, wool leggings and a bonnet, flop hat or tricorn.

The green coat, green breeches, bonnet and stocking with shoes was likely their dress uniforms and not worn into any action.

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2009, 03:06:11 AM »
IMHO, Randy is probably right on about the uniforms.

It's been a long while since I researched the Rangers, but it's my understanding that the original two companies were uniformed, in January or February of either 1757 or 1758, if I remember correctly, but the new companies organized after that date did not receive a uniform.

IMHO, if one is portraying a ranger recruited prior to the issue of the uniforms, then a green uniform might be proper. However, anyone portraying a recruit in a company organized after the issue would not be correct in wearing a green Ranger uniform.

just kinda thinkn'...typn' out loud, so to speak...type.

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2009, 06:02:00 PM »
JD......If someone appeared at a re-enactment with this garb, would you tell him it is "improper", you cannot participate?
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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2009, 07:37:24 PM »
 The uniform does belong to William Funkhouser and that was his display. He also had this display at Lewisburg. Everything he does is top-notch!

 The dummy's name is 'WOODY' by the way. ;D
 
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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2009, 07:42:10 PM »
This stuff drives me nuts and is the reason that my total of "re-enactment" experience has a grand total of 1.  Look at photos of WWII infantry men and see how much "uniformity" there was then...even when uniform items were far more available than they could have reasonably been in the mid 18th century.  There are actually people who will tell you with a straight face that women sewing shirts in isolated settlements hundreds of mile apart used identical patterns.  There are discussions on other forums where this subject alone beaten to death with all participants convinced that they are right......hooey!

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2009, 05:32:52 AM »
I agree that the 'thread counting' can get a bit tedious especially to those of us who do not re-enact. I however am very grateful for those who put the time and research into getting details as close as possible so we can get a generally excepted idea of what is "correct ' or 'right' just so I don't have to. We have all heard the endless debates over what seems to be silly or unable to be proven...ever. Somewhere in all that is allot of great info we should be thankful still exists and someone cares enough to dig up.

 Bill is an 'attention to detail' kind of guy and his work shows that. Everything he does is well researched and of supper high quality! Even the accouterments he did not make himself ie. the knife(A local guy named Tuffy) and the coat(Barb at Yesteryear) are first rate quality. 

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2009, 10:00:58 PM »
Hello,
 It was a surprising pleasure to see Bill's ranger display! As a long time reenactor I can appreciate his research and time time consuming attention to detail.Very nicely done!
 In fact ,its always a treat to walk up the hillside and see  what the living history folks are offering.The cowboys and the chuckwagon crew are excellent as well.A litte sumthin' for everyone!
                Thanks Folks,
                            Willy  ;)
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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2009, 01:54:30 AM »
JD......If someone appeared at a re-enactment with this garb, would you tell him it is "improper", you cannot participate?
Don

Nope, not unless he asked for a critique.  ;D ;D Then it would be up to him to decide if he participates.  :-*

One might be refused admission to a juried event, If he were to attempt to register  using spurious documentation for one's uniform, or any clothing and equipment, for that matter. The authenticity committee would make the determination of what is correct for that particular event. Otherwise, it's up to ones commanding officer, or the units authenticy committee to decide what standards they want to implement for participation in their unit.

If someone wants to look Rangery, on his own, but does not claim to be something ridiculous, that's ok too.  IMHO it all depends on the event. A character dressed up like Teddy Roosevelt was once asked to leave a pre-1820 rendezvous, for example. Who or what participates in a particular event is up to the organizers.

On a personal note, I once read an article by Allan Gutches, I think, that presented the idea that reenactors who do not accurately portray their chosen persona are, in effect, lying, visually, and often verbally to the public who depend on said reenactors to present a realistic impression of their chosen persona. IMHO, a  Rogers ranger reenactor who portrays a member of one of the compnies raised after the issue, for example, while wearing a green Ranger uniform is, in effect lying about who and what he is supposed to be.

That same reenactor portraying a member of a company raised after the uniform issue while wearing civilian clothing, who can explain why A Rogers' Ranger is wearing civilian clothing and carrying a civilian firelock, hunting pouch, and horn would, IMHO, be as correct as a modern day historian/reenctor can be. Moreover, he would present  an honest portrayal to the public, as well as setting the bar a little higher for other "reenactors".

Unfortunately, most folks would only refer to such a dedicated researcher/reenactor as an "authentinazi" or "thread counter", rather than recognize his dedication to the sport.

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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2009, 10:47:35 PM »
Thanks to all that responded.
Several years ago, I read that an military artist found a possible Rogers Rangers uniform in a box lot of uniforms from an auction and used it in a portrait of a ranger. I tried to google this but failed to find anything. I was hoping one of you guys would know something about that.
I do not re-inact, but I do appreciate the trouble and expense some go through to try to get it right.
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Re: Rogers Rangers uniform at Dixon's
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2009, 11:19:35 PM »
Rick....I think the incident of the artist and the auctioned uniform refers to artist Don Troiani's discovery of a jacket once worn by a member of Berdan's Sharpshooters in the Civil War. Troiani was high bidder on the box lot containing the jacket and now owns the jacket.....one of only two known to exist.

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2009, 07:52:45 AM »
IMHO, today's interpretations of an F&I Ranger jacket stem from the one illustrated in the painting "The Death of Wolfe" by Benjamin West. The coat worn by the Ranger  is viewed from the back. Moreover, it is not known it the coat is actually a remnant of a Ranger uniform, an aritst prop, or a figment of West's imagination.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_General_Wolfe

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