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Offline rich pierce

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Assembling a big Germanic lock
« on: March 17, 2020, 05:22:46 AM »
I want to make a militia gun after one at the Old Stone Fort museum in Schoharie NY. I posted this original gun back in 2009. https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=5980.0 Mike Brooks pegged it as a Prussian military gun possibly among many Ben Franklin contracted for. Since I grew up close by Schoharie I want to make this musket. I picked up a set of rough castings that had been “worked on” and finally got to making them into a functional lock (almost; looks like I need to case hardened the frizzen or put a sole on it. Not too sparky yet).

 The lock I just assembled for this project is big. 6 and 3/8” long, 1 and 1/4” deep. There were no spotter holes that made sense so I had to wing it. Let’s say there were some adjustments along the way. A couple holes filled and brazed and re-drilled. Still, it’s quite fun when something like this functions well. Snick, snick. Happy sounds.








Here are some photos of the original gun. I’m up in the air about what barrel to use. I have a 46” round 16 ga I could use. Or I could go with a 12 ya oct to round Colerain Dutch musket barrel I have. Might go with the 16.














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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2020, 09:44:14 AM »
Such a beast! If it never sparks you could still use it as a catapult/treb-u-chet. (sp) ;D

Offline Craig Wilcox

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2020, 05:10:27 PM »
Looks like a great project, Rich, and that lock is awesome!  Let me know if there is anything I can help with.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2020, 07:55:24 PM »
Looks like a great project, Rich, and that lock is awesome!  Let me know if there is anything I can help with.

I know a couple of big Germans,Helmut Mohr or Wilfried Weigner that might help ;D

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Offline Marcruger

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2020, 08:01:33 PM »
Very cool lock and original gun.  Any idea how a bayonet attached to that muzzle?  It appears the end of the stock would block the socket from attaching. The original's buttplate is interesting.  I am guessing the corner was worn-through due to grounding so many times?  Thanks for sharing with us.  Looks like a fun project.  God Bless,  Marc

Offline rich pierce

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2020, 08:11:01 PM »
Very cool lock and original gun.  Any idea how a bayonet attached to that muzzle?  It appears the end of the stock would block the socket from attaching. The original's buttplate is interesting.  I am guessing the corner was worn-through due to grounding so many times?  Thanks for sharing with us.  Looks like a fun project.  God Bless,  Marc

No idea on the bayonet unless there is a lug on the opposite side. I still need to see the sideplate side.

I will make the buttplate from 0.050 sheet brass, but maybe not go so far as to break it at the bend!
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Offline Clark Badgett

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2020, 01:00:39 AM »
Some bayonets had springs on the end to snap over a lug. Not too sure exactly when they were used, but do remember an English socket type that had this feature.
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Offline Clint

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2020, 05:16:56 AM »
Putting those big locks together is like driving a 1965 Oldsmobile. Big screws big (sort of) tolerances, and when you snap  one you need to have a good grip on it. Once you get the frizzen sorted out you get the click - slash and a sizzle of sparks. Keep the build posted, it is a  very interesting gun.
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Offline Hungry Horse

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2020, 05:29:50 PM »
 Don’t underestimate the danger in a big lock like this. Many years ago a friend and I took advantage of a sale of some replicas of the 1763 Charleville musket locks. They were from the musket replica made in Japan. The locks arrived and we both separately decided to test them, to see if the frizzen was any good. These locks were as manufactured, and not tuned at all. I tried to cock the lock, and found it very difficult without it being in a stock. When I tripped it the powerful spring almost made it jump out of my hands. I thought I probably should warn my friend about the powerful spring, and the shocking amount of sparks the lock produced, so I phoned him. His wife answered, and when I told her why I called, she told me I was too late, he had already partially severed one of his fingers when the lock tripped while he was cocking it.
 Even after tuning, and polishing, this lock is very powerful. I have worked with many Bess locks, and trade gun locks, but none of them are as powerful as this lock. So I suspect the lock you have could demonstrate some of the same characteristics.

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Offline rich pierce

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2020, 07:40:13 PM »
Very good advice!
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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2020, 09:10:56 PM »
Made a buttplate for this gun today from 0.050” sheet brass. On the original it broke clean through at the heel.












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Offline Ed Wenger

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Re: Assembling a big Germanic lock
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2020, 06:12:22 PM »
Nice work on that butt piece, Rich!  Gonna be an neat build.    Best,


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