Star and moon inlay pictures

[Scota4570]

I have been working on my Vincent.  I would like to add a crescent moon and cheekpiece star.  Can anyone provide decent quality images for me to work from? 

I may or may not do the patch box lid again.  Here is the first try that I hated at first.

[bama]

Not bad for a first attempt. I don’t think I would redo it. Just keep practicing and you will do fine.

[Mike Brooks]

here's a buttload of pics. Free too....

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=vincent+ohio+rifle&qpvt=vincent+ohio+rifle&FORM=IGRE

[Scota4570]

Thanks but, I have extensively combed the internet already.  Unfortunately nothing, I found,  has sufficient detail to see the engraving on the star or moon as the Vincents did it.  The vast majority of internet pictures have terrible resolution.   I was hoping somebody had examples that they could take a decent photo of and post. 

[Mike Brooks]

Can't say I didn't try...

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

If I may comment on your patchbox, the lid itself is begging for some border work...just something simple but elegant.  I like the box so far, but it seems to me to be unfinished.

[Scota4570]

Suggestions on a simple border?? .. Other than more squiggly lines.  how about plane straight lines?  I have also experimented with rocking the tool right and left and going straight, possible??  I have not done any nick and dot so I'd have to teach myself.  It looks demanding.   

The original had squiggly lines everywhere, including the lid.  I think is was over used.  Even the wedge pin escutcheons had squiggle lines.  That looked terrible so I substituted a plane straight line border.

[smylee grouch]

Hi Scota, I think the engraving looks nice and a straight line border is better than no border but if you would engrave some thing on the area betwix the three screws forward of the box lid I think this would make it less naked looking. I like your rifle. 

[Daryl]

Hi Scota, I think the engraving looks nice and a straight line border is better than no border but if you would engrave some thing on the area betwix the three screws forward of the box lid I think this would make it less naked looking. I like your rifle. 

Agreed. The border on the side plates is quite enough, I think, as long as there was a complimentary engraving between the screws.

[recurve]

[D. Taylor Sapergia]

Here are two border designs that I like, both of these cut on the tang of a trigger guard, but they look fine on a patchbox as well.  The first is a nick and dot, cut with a 130 deg. graver, and the second is a curvy line cut with a 90 deg graver.  To execute these with precision, careful layout first is useful, though not imperative.  You can use felt pen to blacken the surface, and a sharp needle scribe with a ruler to set up the design.

[Curtis]

Here is another example, one I built:







Curtis

[galudwig]

Here are some pics I took of original Vincent Rifles that are on display at the Campus Maritus Museum in Marietta, Ohio. None of the rifles had the crescent moon & stars combo that you mention, but I have seen at least one contemporary rifle that a friend has that has that design on it. I'll try to find pictures of that one. I thought that if nothing else, these pics would give you an idea of the Vincent's engraving style. As you can see, it's pretty basic. I have to apologize for the quality of the photos though as there were taken best I could of rifles in a display case.











This last picture is cool as it shows the actual inlay patterns the Vincent's used for their rifle mounts. Several of those patterns are seen on rifles in the pictures.

You should also try and get in touch with Bill Reynolds of Marietta, Ohio as well. He works at the Museum and is "The Man" when it comes to Vincent Rifles. Good way to do that would be to go to the "Association of Ohio Long Rifle Collectors" page on Facebook. He is a frequent contributor there.

[Robby]

Here's an Ohio type gun I did, not authentic, but I'm told its groovy.



Couple more. I free hand mine, there is such a variety I don't think you can go wrong.






Good luck!
Robby

[Robby]

Double posted somehow.
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[Marcruger]

Those are super moons Robby.  I love your designs.   :-) 

[smart dog]

Hi,
In my opinion, you need to engrave the rest of the patch box to compliment the lid.  A border on the lid won't really make it look less lonely.  Also, your design on the lid floats with no grounding or connection to the lid.  It also is very conservative and restrained on a patch box that is "Victorian" era flamboyant.  As kids, when we were asked to write our names, some would write them in big bold script taking up half the line and others wrote perfect tiny letters cramped into one corner of the line.  Your engraving tries to match a little of the latter with a patch box designed by the former.  The photo below shows an original patch box by Isaac Haines.  See how the lid design is anchored on the lid and how the side plates and front all compliment the lid.  Now imagine there is no engraving except on the lid. He was pretty good.
 


Not Vincent but my version of moon, star, and sun.

[elk killer]

not what your seeking but its cool

[galudwig]

I couldn't find a picture of my friend's contemporary Vincent, but it was based on the Caleb Vincent rifle on the right in the article.

http://www.aolrc.com/upload/files/Vol%20II%20No%201%20Feb%201980.pdf

I've seen at least one other contemporary Vincent with this design placed between checkpiece and butt plate. Caleb seems to like putting the design on the right side of the stock in lieu of a patchbox. Here's another example from Shumways "Gunsmiths of Ohio." Notice the moon is reversed on this one. Once again, the engraving is very basic.



I think it's also important to note that the stars the Vincents used above the cheek piece were not the typical 8 point star you see on PA rifles. Their's are seen in the photo of their inlay patterns in the Campus Maritus Museum.

[Joe S.]

Always a favorite of mine Smart dog,that sun peeking from behind the cheek piece.

[JTR]

not what your seeking but its cool

I like this one, a lot!
Thanks for posting.

[Robby]

I couldn't find a picture of my friend's contemporary Vincent, but it was based on the Caleb Vincent rifle on the right in the article.

http://www.aolrc.com/upload/files/Vol%20II%20No%201%20Feb%201980.pdf

I've seen at least one other contemporary Vincent with this design placed between checkpiece and butt plate. Caleb seems to like putting the design on the right side of the stock in lieu of a patchbox. Here's another example from Shumways "Gunsmiths of Ohio." Notice the moon is reversed on this one. Once again, the engraving is very basic.



I think it's also important to note that the stars the Vincents used above the cheek piece were not the typical 8 point star you see on PA rifles. Their's are seen in the photo of their inlay patterns in the Campus Maritus Museum.

Thanks Galudwig, never saw this one before. I guess mine isn't as far fetched as I thought! Hah!
Robby

[Mike Brooks]

not what your seeking but its cool

VERY groovy baby! YEAH!

[Bob McBride]

From one of my Dupreys. As Robby says, you can’t go wrong if you pick an original and copy/riff on it.

[sz]

sz southern rifle 3 by Steve Zihn, on Flickr