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Longwalker

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Walnut: Stain 1st, then fill grain?
« on: April 15, 2020, 06:33:04 AM »
Hi Folks. I am finally nearing completion in my humble effort to build a Fowler with some English characteristics on it. The stock is black walnut and I want to use some cordovan and brown toned dies to get a warm reddish brown color. I will first stain the stock with a yellow to kill the purple hue. But I have a question about filling the grain. Should I  sand with the finish(Chambers oil) to fill grain, sand back a bit and  and then stain?  Not sure how to proceed. Also, how would you suggest I age the finish? with bone black or black paint around the simple carvings I intend to do??

Anyone have any advice?
Thanks,
Harry
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Offline smylee grouch

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Re: Walnut: Stain 1st, the fill grain?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2020, 06:37:48 AM »
Is that stain going to penetrate through the oil finish?

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Re: Walnut: Stain 1st, then fill grain?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2020, 06:49:15 AM »
Cannot effectively stain after any finish is in the wood, so, stain first.
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Re: Walnut: Stain 1st, then fill grain?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2020, 01:34:34 PM »
Hi,
Stain it first with the yellow and then I strongly urge either LMF walnut stain or alkanet root.  Once stained, apply first coat of finish and sand the wet oil with 220 grit paper to build a slurry of finish and sawdust on the surface.  Let that dry, and sand off with 320 paper.  That should fill the grain but look carefully to see if you need to repeat the filling process. After filling the grain, apply the rest of your coats of finish.


This is black walnut with yellow and alkanet root but finished without filling the grain because it is a musket:





This is black walnut with just yellow and filled grain:





This is English walnut with alkanet root and filled grain:








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Re: Walnut: Stain 1st, then fill grain?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2020, 10:50:33 PM »
Thanks for the replies  guys. Dave, where can a guy acquire some Alkanet Root powder?

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Re: Walnut: Stain 1st, then fill grain?
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2020, 02:25:05 AM »
Hi,
Just do a GOOGLE search for alkanet root powder and mix 3 table spoons with 1 cup of mineral spirits.  Then let it sit for a week and strain with a coffee filter.

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Re: Walnut: Stain 1st, then fill grain?
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2020, 03:02:16 AM »
S.B. McWilliams sells an alkanet finishing oil. Ron Scott uses this. He had some at last year's CLA show.
www.sbmcwilliams.com/

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Re: Walnut: Stain 1st, then fill grain?
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2020, 03:28:36 PM »
https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=french+red&ksubmit=y
You can stain with some walnut stain first and then add some red tint and a filler coat by using the above French red filler.