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Offline Phip

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Decorative barrel filing advice?
« on: May 14, 2020, 04:58:19 AM »
When I began this build in a 2016 NMLRA class in Kentucky with Ron Scott, I thought the barrel carving at the breach was out of my league.  After all I've learned, slowly in four years, this seems fairly approachable now.  But still, before just drawing my design and beginning to file, I thought I'd consult the collective wisdom here seeking guidance on decorative barrel filing. Any advice on how to approach this filing task? 


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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2020, 05:58:03 AM »
Never done that before but I would think a single fine cut file with a smooth safe edge would be needed for the job. I will be interested to learn what those who have done it use and how.

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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2020, 12:44:51 PM »
Easy to do. Look at the last part of this tutorial https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=32410.0
You can do the sculpting with a triangular needle file and a regulare pillar file . Start with the top layer. "Cut" out the egde with triangulare needle file. Smooth out the top of the next layer with pillar file. Repeat for each layer.

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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2020, 05:14:17 PM »
Rolf, thanks for the perfect reply.  I tried searching the site but didn't hit on that tutorial. 

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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2020, 05:28:01 PM »
Rolf,
I hadn't seen your tutorial previously.  That's some pretty slick work, start to finish.

Not to mention a very nice tutorial.

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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2020, 05:59:57 PM »
Philip,
John Binins showed me how to do it when I was in his carving class at NMLRA class in 1997.   He showed me how on a barrel that was not coned.

I use a  regular chain saw file.  Put some electrical  tape on the very end of the file so that it will not cut.  About one inch will do, about three layers.  Then I put the file all the way into the muzzle to within two inches of the handle on the file.  Now I put the pressure on the muzzle end of the file and the other end of the file with the tape on it will come up against the opposite side of the bore.  This will keep the angle of the cut exactly the same.  This is important!  Now  line up the file with the groves in the rifling and give it several strokes, using only the last two inches of the file, using the handle of the file for a stop.  Be sure to get the grove in the center of the rifling.  Then go on to the next grove and do the same thing.  After going all the way around the bore I examine it closely and make sure that all the file groves are the same depth. I usually go around the bore twice.   If the groves are not the same ,  give the ones that are not quite enough a couple more strokes so that they are the same.    Once you are satisfied then use a three cornered file to cut the little v mark in between the circles, with this file you will have to be the judge to keep the angle all the same. 

All the ones that I do now I cone with Joe Woods coning tool first. I have done them with and without coning but I believe if the barrel is coned first there is less chance of making a mistake with the design.  When coned,  I believe the ball has already started to  leave  the barrel before it gets to the design.  I have never had one that hurt the accuracy .

If you are not comfortable with hand tools or if you are not confident I would suggest that you don't do it.  If you have a piece cut off barrel that would be a good place to try your first one.

I am attaching a picture of the first one that I ever did, and one that I just did on a set of swivel breach barrels.





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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2020, 06:57:25 PM »
Hi Philip,  You might find soft oil stones useful in smoothing and polishing the layers after filing. I just replenished my inventory of stones from Congress Tool. Give me a call tonight and I will see if I have some short pieces I can send you.  Pillar Files with precision ground safe edges are very useful for this type of work. I'll check to see who is currently selling these, as it appears that Congress Tool has pretty much stopped selling specialty files.

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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2020, 06:06:09 AM »
Mr. Price, your explanation is clear and easy to follow.  Doesn't sound too hard, either.

Mr. Scott, I appreciate the offer and will follow up for sure!


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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2020, 10:06:15 AM »
Brownell has pillar files.

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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2020, 04:46:46 PM »
I notice Ebay has a large offering of Pilar Files.  Some are priced lower than Brownells.

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Re: Decorative barrel filing advice?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2020, 07:35:47 PM »
I'm saving this thread on my Longrifle HowTos OneNote collection!