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Offline Richard

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J P Beck for build 2
« on: May 18, 2020, 08:59:30 PM »
I like the work John P Beck and so chose to attempt a build in his style.
This is only my second build, and being so new to this I’m sure there are issues that I don’t have the experience to see. I’m hoping to get feedback that I can use to better my skills.

The lock is from Chambers, the stock, BP and TG are from ToTW. The barrel from Rice is a 42”, swamped .50 cal. It’s a C weight, measuring 1 1/16” at the breech, which I thought most appropriate for the Beck look.

Unlike my first gun which was an all kit parts, this time I made the patch box, side plate, toe plate, sights, pipes, muzzle cap, trigger, and trigger plate. It was a challenge but also confidence booster.

The overall length is 57 ½”, lop is 13 ½”, weights in at 9 ½ lbs.

From the research of 13 Beck guns which I had measurements for I looked for and tried to adhere to commonalities. I ended up slimmer at the wrist than most Beck’s were, mine being closer to that of the Washing Beck in the Frazier museum.
 
The side plate I cut from 1/8” brass. Maybe thicker than needed, to achieve that look of a heavily beveled edge.


Pipes were formed from .040” sheet. I ¼” in length, with robust end moldings.



Sights and trigger were straight forward, but I still had several fails before getting something that looked right.




I had never built a patch box before but wanted it to have JP’s uniqueness’. Tulip (Whale Tail) head, hinge stops and butt plate release. For a rookie it was both intimidating and rewarding. You’ll notice later in this post the shoulders on the box finial of the finished gun are too long… because its actually the second patch box. The first had dissimilar widths on either side of the hinge, so I made a new one, including the upper and lower plates, all cut 1/16” oversize and then re-inlet in its place. Growing the size distorted things and created secondary issues. D’oh!
Also, I didn’t get the rivet into the upper left corner of the door as I would have liked, and enlarging the door on the second box left too much wood at the sides of the cavity.

First box , on which the top of the door was too narrow


Replacement made, and inlet in place of.





The push release stud and the catch were forged out of 1/4“ square stock.



The muzzle cap was shaped and soldered from sheet brass. I managed to get the three iron rivets peened in without deforming the brass or fracturing the super thin layer of wood. The trigger guard and the butt plate also had some reshaping and bending done to them.



The carving is mostly copied from Becks work (ALR museum), with some variations. Drawn out then stabbed in the outline.


The finish began with a lye wash, followed by two treatments of Aqua Fortis. Then blushed and scrubbed back, followed up with a Tung oil finish. Some aging was also applied using powdered Kingsford charcoal mixed with Tung oil.



The engraving was all done in place on the finished gun. My method was hand drawing the design in pencil onto the brass then engraving. I had trouble with reflective glare and seeing the pencil lines. I need to figure out my lighting better, in addition to getting my line depths more consistent. Engraving in place was a lot tougher than Shipper said it was. Lol. I’ve got a long way too go on improving my engraving.



Apology for the long story… here is the finished product.


I learned a lot from this project. Researching was half the fun of building.
Thanks for reading.

Any, and all feedback welcomed.

Richard































Offline bama

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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2020, 09:22:25 PM »
For build no. 2 I say you done a right fine job. Much better than many 2nd builds including mine.  :o Great job.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2020, 09:26:39 PM »
Very nicely done. I like seeing folks make parts for their build. Makes a big difference in making an interesting gun.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2020, 09:38:20 PM »
 Very well done, while looking at the progress Pix I had no idea there would be a finished gun at the end. There must be  many days/weeks/months of practice in there. I think you have a bright future in this culture.

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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2020, 10:18:00 PM »
I like it. When you make your own parts you cross the line from assembler to gunsmith. Good job on a nice looking rifle.  :)

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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 11:54:56 PM »
Exceptional. I didn't see anything wrong with the first box.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2020, 11:58:45 PM »
That's what I call an excellent job!  I do like your work.  Only the 2nd??????
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2020, 12:20:47 AM »
Wow. That's a fine looking rifle. Well done.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2020, 12:56:53 AM »
Nicely done. Really like the wrist carving.

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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2020, 02:09:14 AM »
This is excellent work for a 20th build, let alone a 2nd.  Thanks for showing us. and I hope there's many more in the future.  Enjoyed the picture series.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2020, 02:47:01 AM »
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This is excellent work for a 20th build, let alone a 2nd.
I'll second that Taylor.....  You did a wonderful job on your Beck.  As others have said, fabricating as much as you can seems to create a truly unique piece.  High risk=high reward.  Great job!!

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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2020, 03:32:49 AM »
Very nice , hard to believe only your 2nd build. You did a nice job, building with parts you made, they look good. Can you explain your "ageing " process a little more in detail ? How long  did you let the charcoal black dry on ? And doesn't it rub off ?  Steve

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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2020, 03:51:31 AM »
As for an apprentices second build you might ask would it pass muster with the master. And Id bet it would easily. Congrats on a fine job.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2020, 03:56:32 AM »
I am blown away. WOW 2nd build. No one could have guessed that unless you owned up to it.
Exceptionally well done and presented. Thank you.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2020, 05:13:25 AM »
I don`t know how old you are or anything about your background, but for a second build you have a great future ahead of you as a rifle builder.  You obviously are very talented with your hands, but more importantly you have done a lot of homework.  Keep polishing your skills and keep studying the masters.  Wormey

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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2020, 01:51:35 PM »
I have not studied the subtleties of J. P.'s work but you sure did a lot of good work on that one. Nice job, Sir.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2020, 02:32:56 PM »
It is very obvious that you did a lot of study before you built this rifle. Congratulations you did a fine  job and I do hope we see more of your work in the future. You ha e shown great talent and will only get better. Thanks for posting your efforts.
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2020, 08:48:26 PM »
Thank you all for your generous compliments and kindness.
I do confess to spending many weeks scouring the resources available to learn and copy Beck’s style. I have never been involved with the art world and had always thought that any form of copying was frowned upon, but now I’m of the opinion that copying is a great way to learn a new skill. Making parts was very satisfying, even the second and third time. Haha

Very nice , hard to believe only your 2nd build. You did a nice job, building with parts you made, they look good. Can you explain your "ageing " process a little more in detail ? How long  did you let the charcoal black dry on ? And doesn't it rub off ?  Steve

Steve, I enjoy the look of both the aged and the shiny new works by contemporary builders, and in this case, I decided that I was already in way over my head with trying so many firsts that I would give patina a try too.
The charcoal was rubbed onto 320 sandpaper. The powder was mixed with Polymerized Tung oil into several different ratios to make a palette of consistencies from goopy to powdery. I applied these mixes with a tooth brush, working it over the entire stock. While still tacky I scrubbed back with heavy denim, very lightly in some areas and very aggressively in others. About 4 or 5 applications was applied. Once cured it is set fast and doesn’t come off.


Thanks again for all your support. It is encouraging to hear.
Some day in the future (post Covid) I’ll have to take a trip to meet other builders in person. Its only about a 7-hour drive to where Taylor and Daryl are in PG. 

Richard



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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2020, 12:49:15 AM »
I don`t know how old you are or anything about your background, but for a second build you have a great future ahead of you as a rifle builder.  You obviously are very talented with your hands, but more importantly you have done a lot of homework.  Keep polishing your skills and keep studying the masters.  Wormey

I couldn't agree more. I have built a good number of Beck's and can recognize the study you put in and your natural abilities in all areas of this build.
NICE!
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Re: J P Beck for build 2
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2020, 05:54:09 AM »
As others have said, very respectable job for a second gun.

Keep it up,

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