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Offline AsMs

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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2020, 03:15:45 AM »
Jim, is your head spinning with all these suggestions 🙂

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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2020, 03:32:05 AM »
Opened a can of worms there didn't you, Jim.
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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2020, 10:46:09 PM »
Delete all of these suggestions, Jim, and cogitate on what YOU think would be appropriate.
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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2020, 11:22:44 PM »
Mr. Kibler,

Maybe consider offering barrels bored to use a .375 ball?  Maybe one offered up configured for later rifles such as Joseph Long built?

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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2020, 07:27:58 PM »
    Through all my years I have heard so many people talk about guns being to heavy. I think if somebody made swamped barrels with a faster taper from the breech, a longer straight section and a smaller flare at the muzzle this could lighten them up some. I would do this in the most popular calibers, 45 to 58cal. I know i seen one orginal gun with a barrel like this. Best I remember the taper from the breech ended in about 12in and a slight flare starting 4 or 5in before the muzzle. The barrel was about 44in long. It was a good looking long slim gun. I seen this many years ago at a gun and knife show in Missouri. A little food for thought.    Al
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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2020, 07:47:30 PM »
I have only handled roughly four dozen original longrifles from fabulous PA collections.  I didn't have a scale with me nor did I ask specifically the weight of various rifles.  But I was left with an overall impression that original rifles, at least the ones I handled, were in the 9 pounds + category.  Almost all had breech diameters in the 1"+ range, in spite of calibre.  I'm missing something with this "we need light weight barrels" thing.
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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2020, 11:11:20 PM »
I too have handled few ( 6 IIRC ) original long rifles but have been fortunate to have been able to handle 20 -25 original Hawken guns and some other plains type rifles. My impression with all of them was that modern man would not make the grade if 9+ lbs. is too heavy. But that being said the average shooter of these guns now days is on the down hill side of his shooting/hunting life style and yes I include myself in that group.

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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2020, 04:24:48 AM »
If you are thinking to offer a smooth bore Fowler barrel you should spend some time talking to Ken Netting.     Unlike what is commercially available his barrels are graceful and balanced.   They are light in the muzzle and comfortable to shoulder.  The series of tapers found in original barrels are complex and his barrel work mirrors what was done in fine original barrels.    Modern Fowler barrels are too thick heavy and clumsy his are exact replicas of originals. 
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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2020, 05:19:58 AM »
Outside the standards I'd like to see a French Trade gun barrel in the original, I believe, 14 bore and a .75 straight small bore barrel 38"ish for Tennessee guns. I know they're not in the 'swamped' variety, but that's the contrarian in me I guess.....

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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2020, 09:56:23 AM »
I have only handled roughly four dozen original longrifles from fabulous PA collections.  I didn't have a scale with me nor did I ask specifically the weight of various rifles.  But I was left with an overall impression that original rifles, at least the ones I handled, were in the 9 pounds + category.  Almost all had breech diameters in the 1"+ range, in spite of calibre.  I'm missing something with this "we need light weight barrels" thing.
 
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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2020, 02:30:00 PM »
I too have handled few ( 6 IIRC ) original long rifles but have been fortunate to have been able to handle 20 -25 original Hawken guns and some other plains type rifles. My impression with all of them was that modern man would not make the grade if 9+ lbs. is too heavy. But that being said the average shooter of these guns now days is on the down hill side of his shooting/hunting life style and yes I include myself in that group.
Those guns were owned by men who had horses, not just one but a string and maybe a pack mule. They wouldn't venture as far as the outhouse on foot.
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Re: Swamped barrel profiles / calibers
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2020, 05:11:15 AM »
I would love to see a 1.25" breech, swamped with a .56" fast twist. Mabey a little on the long side.