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Offline Daryl

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2020, 03:01:59 AM »
That indeed, is a special rifle, Jim. Well done.
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2020, 03:08:04 PM »
Yeah - what's NOT to like?  They are the second ultimate, but of course, the English only embellished on the German design
to make the ultimate hunting rifle.  That took 50 years or more of time, though. In the meantime, the Jaegers were IT!
Maybe you need to look at later Jagers. They are not as prevalent in the US or Canada as the English guns, but they play second fiddle to no English guns. There is one in Shumway's Jager book towards the back, I lent out the book so I can't tell you what page it is on. Maybe Taylor has the book.
We are mostly familiar with the 18th century German guns because they are seen as precursors to the American longrifle.
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2020, 07:25:09 PM »
I'd be interested in seeing that one alarcran. Until then, I still hold that none other matches the English gun of the 1850's
as a hunting rifle, single shot or double rifle. ;)
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2020, 05:08:37 AM »
Here are a couple others. The top one is very early, say 1670-1680ish. It has a 38" barrel and is rifled with straight rifling. The wender is rifled in both barrels and is pretty early. I need to get these all out and take some good photos of them.
 














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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2020, 03:52:12 AM »
This is an original that has some interesting features.   The patch box is spring-loaded and latches at the front of the box on a notch in the dovetails.  There is no buttplate,  the wire inlay work utilizes staining in the captured areas.  The trigger guard is missing.  I suspect the original was wood.  It shows sign of use.  There is a gold touch hole liner and the round-faced lock is actually very appropriate for the 3rd quarter of the 18th century.  George Shumway felt it was 1750 -1775 from the South-Eastern quarter of Germany.

I have a gun in progress for may grandson that uses some of the features but is more Southern transitional. 

























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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2020, 04:14:30 AM »
That's a very interesting and nice rifle, Heinz.
Thanks for showing it to us.   

Yes, lines look Vienna, I'd have said.  V Nice lines!

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2020, 04:33:01 PM »
oh if that one could talk,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I have never "harvested" a critter but I have killed quite a few,,,,,,,,,,,

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2020, 01:55:39 AM »
Im not sure on the date of this one.  It was a smoothie but I had Bobby Hoyt sleeve it to a .60 rifle.  He loved the chiseled flats on the barrel.  My buddy Stan Hollenbaugh basically reforged the inside of the lock, added the sights, and put a new frizzen on it.  I still have all the original parts.  The barrel is 31 inches.

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2020, 02:05:15 AM »
This one is c 1720.  It has a 36 in barrel with a 1:24 twist rifled in 62 cal.  Its all original.  Its amazing the engraving on the inside of the lock.  Im having an exact copy of this gun built by Bill Slusser except in an exhibition grade curly maple.  Hes allergic to Walnut now.  June has been 3 years.  I hope soon.

Note the No. 9 on the buttplate.  And the beaded banding.
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2020, 02:18:07 PM »
i bet you call it ol number 9,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :D
I have never "harvested" a critter but I have killed quite a few,,,,,,,,,,,

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2020, 02:51:34 PM »
This one is c 1720.  It has a 36 in barrel with a 1:24 twist rifled in 62 cal.  Its all original.  Its amazing the engraving on the inside of the lock.  Im having an exact copy of thid gun built by Bill Slusser except in an exhibition grade curly maple.  Hes allergic to Walnut now.  June has been 3 years.  I hope soon.

Note the No. 9 on the buttplate.  And the beaded banding.
Wow I really like that rifle.  It is not overly ornate like the rifles made for the Nobility.  The carving is very well executed. You can see the the wedding band on the barrel was hand done. Love the side plate.
I feel your pain about waiting. I finished a Jager in 2017, had a heart episode in 2018 and the final finishing was put on hold. Handed it to my engraving buddy last Labor Day. Cant wait to get it back from him so I can fire blue the barrel. Worst thing I don't have one photo of the !@*%&@ thing. Hope you get yours soon.
A man's rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.  Frederick Douglass

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2020, 06:49:06 PM »
I think the gun was made for nobility.  The No 9 signified where it went in the armory.  And the beaded banding is only really seen on more elite guns Im told.  The whole guns architecture just flows.

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2020, 01:19:53 AM »
Kieth, I think you are correct about the beading.  MIne has engraving but no beading.  The beading I have seen on original pieces was on the very high-end guns in the Paris Museum de Armee

Really nice Jaegers you have.
 
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2020, 03:04:05 PM »
Most rifles commissioned for the nobility would have the coat of arms  on the thumb piece. or sometimes on the barrel. By the standard of the time this is a fairly plain rifle. The barrel may or may not have been made by the gunsmith. The beading does not indicate that this is a high grade barrel in and of itself.
Like I said I really like this rifle because of its plainness. The # 9 is probably a rack #. It may have been a loaner gun for the hunt when some one was invited to hunt on the owners estate. Just my opinion.
A man's rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.  Frederick Douglass

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2020, 03:54:43 PM »
Alacran.  I see your point.  I also like the restrained ornamentation on "number 9" 8)
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2020, 05:18:36 PM »
Wow, that one is exciting. Boldly done. Some aspects of the carving remind me of the “musician’s rifle”.
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2020, 05:34:37 PM »
I like that last gun posted. Here is an old photo of carving in progress of a 'jaeger of unknown origin'.


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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2020, 06:53:23 PM »
Nice clean crisp carving Tom.  I love that rifle.
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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2020, 07:33:39 PM »
I agree the gun was in an armory of some sort.  And I would think if there was an armory, or an estate at that time, you were a noble of some type.  A lord maybe.  The gun when I acquired it was almost unfired, or very little.

I shoot .595 with a 15th patch.  Shoots great.

Thanks for the comments guys.

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2020, 04:40:23 PM »
Very crisp work on that stock, Tom!  Beautiful.

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Re: Lets see some Jaegers
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2023, 06:09:34 PM »
Guys,

Here is a very simple one I put together from odd parts lying about the shop.  A 28" 0.54 commercial barrel, plain maple wood stained walnut.

Jim